U.S. Politics

[Tom Graves]

Above, YOU are the one saying that Trump won in 2020. You clearly made a, "Freudian slip".

Nice catch, Rohrabacher I mean Storing.

But even if Trump had won in 2020 (which he didn't), the question remains:

How could so many Americans be so ignorant as to vote for him?

The answer: In 1959, when the Kremlin realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily and decided to get us to defeat ourselves, the KGB began waging disinformation and "active measures" operations against us in order to, among other things, get us to distrust our own government.

As an example of said disinformation, I give you Oliver Stone's 1991 self-described mythological -- "to counter the myth of the Warren Report" -- film "JFK," which story can be traced back to a March 1967 "active measures" article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison arrested Clay Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual "thrill-kill" assassination of JFK . . . which article motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the evil, evil CIA!!!".

A brief timeline:

In 1977, Trump marries a Czechoslovakian woman whose father was an informant for the StB (which worked closely with the KGB) and she feeds her father intel; Trump is marked down for recruitment by a KGB "spotter" by the name of Semyon Kislin in Manhattan in 1980; Trump sells five Trump Tower condos to a Russian Mafia figure by the name of David Bogatin for approximately $6 million in cash (a total of thirteen Russian mafiosos eventually live in Trump Tower); Trump is visited unannounced by the Soviet Ambassador to the U.N. and his daughter in 1986; Trump is seated next to said Ambassador at an Este Lauder gala dinner, Trump is shortly thereafter invited to Moscow "all-expenses-paid" and visits Moscow in 1987; when Trump returns, he places a full-page anti-NATO ad in three major newspapers and runs for President (unsuccessfully).

Then, of course, in 2016 Putin's hackers, professional trolls, KGB/GRU agents, and zombified (like you?) "useful idiots" (or worse) get him "elected."

Go figure, Rohrabacher I mean Storing.


-- Tom

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Tom Graves]

I am a Trump supporter and I don't believe he won the 2020 election anymore than I believe Nixon won in 1960. There seemed to be some shady things going on but I see no way it could have decided the election. Biden flipped five states that Trump won in 2016 and to reverse the outcome, Trump would have needed to hold three of them. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

Likewise, JFK won the electoral college comfortably. The election came down to the last 3 large states that were still up for grabs, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas. Nixon had to win at least Illinois and Texas to win the electoral college. He lost all three. Had he won Missouri and one of the other two, the election would have been decided by the House of Representatives as Harry Byrd's 15 electoral votes would have prevented either man from getting a majority.

Illinois has always got most of the attention due to the alleged vote manipulation by Dick Daley's Cook County machine, which almost certainly did create votes for JFK. What people ignore is the fact the Republicans were doing the same thing in their stronghold of Lake County in the northern suburbs of Chicago. The Republicans accused the Democrats of cheating better than they did. Even if Nixon had carried Illinois, he still would have lost the election as he failed to carry Texas or Missouri.

Why the muck (rhymes with xxxx) are you a Trump supporter?

[John Corbett]

Why the muck (rhymes with xxxx) are you a Trump supporter?

For starters, he's not a Democrat

[Tom Graves]

For starters, he's not a Democrat

Neither was Adolf Hitler, iirc.

[John Corbett]

Neither was Adolf Hitler, iirc.

Nor was Abraham Lincoln.

[Tom Graves]

Nor was Abraham Lincoln.

Are you pro-Putin?

[Zeon Mason]

So why has Alex Jones turned into an anti Israel / Mossad conspiracy Nut? The guy must have lost his mind. He claimed the other day that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are Mossad agents  and that Netanyahu and the Israeli Lobby have taken over the US government.

Probably sometime  in the next month, Alex will announce he no longer is a Trump supporter and will begin flipping himself full tilt into the Tucker Carlson /Nick Fuentes /Marjorie /Traitor Greene mode of total Jewish Conspiracy and wind up joining with the Bernie Sanders/AOC Marxist Left to form a really weird 3rd Party.

[John Corbett]

So why has Alex Jones turned into an anti Israel / Mossad conspiracy Nut? The guy must have lost his mind. He claimed the other day that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are Mossad agents  and that Netanyahu and the Israeli Lobby have taken over the US government.

Probably sometime  in the next month, Alex will announce he no longer is a Trump supporter and will begin flipping himself full tilt into the Tucker Carlson /Nick Fuentes /Marjorie /Traitor Greene mode of total Jewish Conspiracy and wind up joining with the Bernie Sanders/AOC Marxist Left to form a really weird 3rd Party.

Alex Jones was born an a-hole and will die an a-hole after never having ever been anything but an a-hole.