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Offline Frank Beard

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3157 on: June 24, 2025, 09:09:37 AM »
You have to give them some credit for being smarter than us.  After WWII we paid to rebuild their cities.  For the last 70 years and counting, we have paid to defend them.  They charge us for military bases that are used to defend them.  Meanwhile they pay almost nothing for national defense and rely on the US to address any security issue.  Meanwhile our cities are in ruin.  We are overrun with homeless people.  The education and health care systems are disasters but "Europe" has a utopia in that respect.

The trigger for the US to enter WW2 was because of the direct attack by Japan.
It wasn’t primarily to defend Europe.

The population of the US was 3x the population of Britain in 1939.
Pro-rata the economic cost to GB was 4.5x the cost to the US,
Pro-rata we suffered 3x as many losses.
We fought for 2 years before the US joined ww2 and four years before you joined ww1
The US contribution was both welcome and decisive, but the problem was global not European.

The more recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were a response to 9-11
Britain in particular was a totally loyal ally after 9-11 and participated in these wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in support of the US - probably against better judgement, and by playing along with the myth of WMD. Is the world safer now? I’m not too sure.

The situation in Ukraine is a consequence of the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
Britain, Russia, the USA and Ukraine signed the Budapest agreement to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and its borders in return for the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine.
Russia had no intention to honour that agreement.
It could be argued that NATOs moves to expand into Eastern Europe triggered the current crisis.
Therefore it’s a NATO problem not a European problem.
Putin will probably prevail if the US continues to withdraw support.

Unfortunately humans seem unable to inhabit the world without fighting.
Britain, Canada and Europe are still the closest allies to the US.
The US needed Britain’s political and military support in recent years.
The world seems to be becoming more unsafe as technology develops.
This anti-European argument seems somewhat misplaced to me, and ignores the fact that Britain paid a much heavier price in WW2.

I’m not an expert on the economic problems in the US but the huge national debt is surely significant.
The national debt in the UK is bad, but the situation is even worse in the US.
No-one can afford these wars.

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« Reply #3158 on: June 24, 2025, 03:58:18 PM »
According to my Facebook feed, ABC news is reporting a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. I am hoping and praying that this is true and leads to a lasting peace in that part of the world.

   "The View" is part of the ABC News Division. "ABC News" is Biased News, Fake News.

Offline Joe Elliott

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« Reply #3159 on: June 25, 2025, 04:28:23 AM »
How to launch a surprise attack.

* Israel launches an attack.
* Trump watches Fox news and gets inspired.
* For the next several days, Trump posts, not even using "Signal", but even worse "Truth Social" about how danger Iran is,
    how he may have to strike as well, that he might need to take out the leadership, and that the residents of Tehran should evacuate.

This is like the Emperor of Japan making broadcasts in the days leading up to Pearl Harbor, that America is very evil, that Japan needs to, and may very well, strike a mighty blow, no one knows whether they will or not, and that the residents of Honolulu should flee the city.

If Trump's airstrike was successful, it would own more to the stupidity of Iran that to Trump's brilliance. I think it failed due to Trump's stupidity. Giving Iran several days to move the enriched Uranium and critical equipment sets you up for failure regardless how brilliant the aircrews may be.

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« Reply #3160 on: June 25, 2025, 06:32:36 AM »
The classified bipartisan briefing with Congress was cancelled because it was going to show that the attack failed because someone spilled the beans on Truth Social ahead of time that Iran was going to be attacked, allowing enriched Uranium and critical equipment to be removed ahead of time.

P. S. Yes. Tom is right. It should be called "Truth Social". But call it what you will, it is neither Truth nor True, except when used to give enemies a heads up.
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« Reply #3161 on: June 25, 2025, 06:42:40 AM »
The classified bipartisan briefing with Congress was cancelled because it was going to show that the attack failed because someone spilled the beans on True Social ahead of time that Iran was going to be attacked, allowing enriched Uranium and critical equipment to be removed ahead of time.

*Truth Social

Offline Joe Elliott

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« Reply #3162 on: June 25, 2025, 07:03:20 AM »
How could this attack fail? It was perfect. Well, accept for Trump's posts on Truth Social that the U. S. could attack, maybe should attack Iran, Their nuclear capabilities should be taken out. The people of Tehran should flee. And somehow the Iranians figured out they should move their critical enriched Uranium and equipment out before the bombers came.

The Trump administration should stop using Truth Social to communicate and go back to using Signal Chat.

Offline Frank Beard

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« Reply #3163 on: June 25, 2025, 08:54:01 AM »
How to launch a surprise attack.

If Trump's airstrike was successful, it would own more to the stupidity of Iran that to Trump's brilliance. I think it failed due to Trump's stupidity. Giving Iran several days to move the enriched Uranium and critical equipment sets you up for failure regardless how brilliant the aircrews may be.

Unless they secretly wanted Iran to remove the uranium to prevent nuclear contamination?