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Online Tom Graves

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3115 on: June 12, 2025, 10:44:11 PM »
Are you capable of ever responding without making reference to Russia or Putin?  Find a sane person whose opinion you respect.  Inform them of your obsession with Russia.  Ask for their assessment of your mental health.

I hate to have to tell you this, Smith, but the Kremlin, having realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, decided in 1959 to defeat us by getting us to tear ourselves apart, and had the organization that you seem to think is a world-class humanitarian organization, the KGB*, wage Sun Tzu-like disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies. In order to do this, it set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR).

General Oleg Gribanov of the Second Chief Directorate, not to be outdone, set up Department 14 in the SCD (today's FSB) and, as soon as he had trapped GRU Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky "like a bear in its den" in such a way that wouldn't reveal who in the CIA or British Intelligence had betrayed him, sent KGB Major Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) and GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov (TOP HAT) to the FBI's NYC field office to "volunteer" to spy for it at the U.N.

Six months later, Gribanov sent false-defector-in-place Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva to discredit what recent true defector Anatoliy Golitsyn was telling the CIA.

In late January 1964, Nosenko, who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer in the USSR (how lucky for J. Edgar Hoover!) physically defected to the U.S., and, after being "cleared" by a probable KGB mole in the Agency in October 1968, started teaching "counterintelligence" to the CIA's and FBI's new recruits.

Gag me with a KGB spoon, Smith.

Just one example of a JFKA-related "active measure" your beloved KGB waged against us was its publishing on 4 March 1967 an anti-Clay Shaw / anti-CIA article in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper, "Paese Sera," three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued and revengeful Jim Garrison had arrested Shaw on suspicion of arranging a homosexual "thrill-kill" assassination of JFK. The "Paese Sera" article was translated from Italian into English and given to Garrison by Bertrand Russell's far-left London secretary, Ralph Schoenman (ex-husband of JFKA conspiracy theorist Joan Mellen). Bottom line: the article (and its knockoffs in other leftist publications) motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw from "He masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill" to "He organized it for the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex!"

In 1988, Garrison wrote his memoirs, "On the Trail of the Assassins," in which he lied when he said he wasn't aware of the "Paese Sera" article until after the 1969 trial, even though it had been published in diluted form in the New Orleans-States Item newspaper in April 1967. (Interestingly, one of the two surviving editors at the States-Item told researcher Max Holland around 2004 that Garrison's office had leaked the "Paese Sera" article to it.)

A copy of Garrison's book was given to Vietnam War-traumatized Oliver Stone later that year at a Havana film festival by the book's far-left publisher, Ellen Ray, and Stone proceeded to partly base, along with Jim Marr's book "Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy," his self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") pseudo-documentary film, "JFK," on it.

Said film contributed to the making cynical, paranoiac, and apathetic our body politic to such an extent that "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was able to install The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) as our "president" in 2017 and 2025.

*Today's SVR and FSB

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3116 on: June 12, 2025, 10:48:26 PM »
PANICKED Trump REVERSES HIMSELF at PRESS DISASTER


Trump just announced that he is rethinking deporting all illegal immigrants. Because he JUST discovered that it turns out that illegal immigrants are critical to our Agriculture industry. WTF ????? He just found out about that? Are you kidding me?

And there is also the hotel, restaurant and other industries that have to be considered too.

So we are going to give billionaires a big tax cut so we can eliminate Medicaid, much of Obamacare (The Affordable Health Act) and some of Medicare and blow up the deficit like never before. But in exchange for all that, we get rid of the illegal immigrants. Except it now seems we do not get rid of the illegal immigrants. Instead, MAGA will just have to settle for giving big tax cuts to the billionaires.

In any case, I would like to hear what our MAGA stalwarts think. Are you all onboard having the illegal immigrants to be allowed to stay in the U. S. if they work in Agriculture and other important industries? Is that good with you?


P. S.: My prediction.

The MAGA base will erupt. So Trump will tell the billionaires, in private, to not worry, 90 % of the illegal immigrants will remain in the country. While announcing to the public that the deportations will continue. And continue to show films of ICE chasing workers across fields day after day, week after week. And giving the impression to MAGA that they will get what the want. But instead, all they will get, is big tax cuts for billionaires while the bulk of the immigrants remain.

The number of illegal immigrants who get deported each week will never approach the 50,000 a week level needed to be reached and sustain over the next three and a half years to empty the country of illegal immigrants.
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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3117 on: June 12, 2025, 11:14:22 PM »

Said film contributed to the making cynical, paranoiac, and apathetic our body politic to such an extent that "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin was able to install The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) as our "president" in 2017 and 2025.

*Today's SVR and FSB

Hello Tom

I have been against JFK conspiracy theories because I think they are false. But there are a lot of other false theories. I argued against this theory because it does hurt Americans faith in democracy so it is a particularly dangerous conspiracy theory.

But I disagree with you on one point. I think it was the racist MAGA base that installed Trump as president in 2017 and 2025. Putin is of secondary importance. But some of MAGA like to talk about Putin's influence in order to make us think it is hopeless. It is not. But on the whole I think the same way you do.

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3118 on: June 12, 2025, 11:47:17 PM »
Hello Tom

I have been against JFK conspiracy theories because I think they are false. But there are a lot of other false theories. I argued against this theory because it does hurt Americans faith in democracy so it is a particularly dangerous conspiracy theory.

But I disagree with you on one point. I think it was the racist MAGA base that installed Trump as president in 2017 and 2025. Putin is of secondary importance. But some of MAGA like to talk about Putin's influence in order to make us think it is hopeless. It is not. But on the whole I think the same way you do.

Putin's professional St. Petersburg trolls (You've heard of the IRA, right?) whipped the Magats up, and the leaking of the DNC's and Podesta's emails by the GRU and FSB to Julian Assange (whom I believe was in cahoots with Roger Stone and Lyndon LaRouche-follower Harley Schlanger  -- google stone schlanger caddy) helped Trump overcome his Access Hollywood gaffe. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I could go on and on. Would you like for me to go on and on?

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« Reply #3119 on: June 12, 2025, 11:50:54 PM »
  Yes, it is hopeless for those supporting Criminal Illegal Aliens, and Rioters. You're never gonna win jack when your party stands behind people like this.  And Hogg & Walz give the party a Black Eye. And I just watched that Calif US Senator get rolled. How wimpy are you guys gonna get? Keep up the good work. Please!

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3120 on: June 13, 2025, 02:19:46 AM »
Putin's professional St. Petersburg trolls (You've heard of the IRA, right?) whipped the Magats up, and the leaking of the DNC's and Podesta's emails by the GRU and FSB to Julian Assange (whom I believe was in cahoots with Roger Stone and Lyndon LaRouche-follower Harley Schlanger  -- google stone schlanger caddy) helped Trump overcome his Access Hollywood gaffe. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I could go on and on. Would you like for me to go on and on?

No. I know Putin has done a lot to help Trump. But the primary problem is still the MAGA base which wants the immigrants all deported for racist reasons.

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Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Reply #3121 on: June 13, 2025, 02:37:02 AM »
No. I know Putin has done a lot to help Trump. But the primary problem is still the MAGA base which wants the immigrants all deported for racist reasons.

You seem to be hung up on the immigrant issue.

What about many MAGATs' distrusting Government in General, and the CIA and the FBI in particular?
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