Biden delays JFK Files release

[Martin Weidmann]

This is real simple Roger.  We are discussing a demonstrable fact established pursuant to a legal process.  Rick has repeatedly claimed that in January '21 Trump precluded Biden from releasing these files for three years.  Is it true or false that Biden "can't release" the files due to something that Trump did in January?  Is Biden "unable" to release the files due to some action that Trump took or not?  I posted the actual facts.  In 2017 (not 2021) Trump delayed the release of these files.  That necessitated a decision by the President (Biden) by Oct. 26, 2021 (today) as to whether to release the files.  Biden had the complete authority to do so.   He decided not to release the files.  Nothing Trump did rendered him "unable" to do so as Rick has now falsely claimed several times.

Rick has repeatedly claimed that in January '21 Trump precluded Biden from releasing these files for three years.

Where did he actually claim that? Show us the links to those postings....

It seems to me you are doing what you always do; making up a strawman and then attack it.

Biden had the complete authority to do so.   He decided not to release the files.  Nothing Trump did rendered him "unable" to do so as Rick has now falsely claimed several times.

So far, all we have is your erroneous interpretation of what Rick is supposed to have claimed. Isn't it about time that you learn that your interpretation is not fact and is meaningless when the person himself tells you he has never made such a claim?

You are fighting against windmills.

[Rick Plant]

Again, this statement a demonstrable lie which you have now repeated.  You either have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or you are intentionally lying due to your uncontrollable Trump obsession.  You have posted thousands of anti-Trump posts on this board.  Here, you have interjected a false reference to Trump in this context indicating that he is to blame for Biden not releasing these JFK files. 

Since you dispute that for some unknown reason, let's look at your exact words to see if you are "blaming Trump" or not.  Ready? 

"... in January [Trump] said the files can't be released for 3 years. President Biden can't release them as well." 

This explicitly claims that in January that President Trump prohibited the release of these files for three years and therefore Biden "can't release them."  There is no ambiguity on this claim.  It is, however, demonstrably false.  Trump established a timeline for release of these files in an executive memo on Oct. 26, 2017.  Pursuant to that timeline, Biden had to decide by Oct. 26, 2021 whether to release the files.  Biden had complete discretion and authority over that decision to allow the files to be released.  Trump's 2017 memo in no way precluded him from doing so.  In fact, it enabled Biden to release these files.  You have posted a complete and total lie in violation of forum rules.  This has now been pointed out to you.  Absent a retraction of your false statement here, you should be suspended from this forum again for intentionally spreading false information.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-memorandum-heads-executive-departments-agencies-2/

 

So pathetic. I never blamed Trump for not releasing the files. But carry on with your ridiculous conspiracy theory. 

Again, it's not false. Criminal Donald boasted that he was going to release the JFK Files. Then he admitted in January that because of security reasons the files can't be released for at least 3 years. President Biden is unable to release them as well. I'm blaming nobody and you are breaking forum rules by calling me a liar.   

[Rick Plant]

Again, this statement a demonstrable lie which you have now repeated. You either have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or you are intentionally lying due to your uncontrollable Trump obsession. You have posted thousands of anti-Trump posts on this board. Here, you have interjected a false reference to Trump in this context indicating that he is to blame for Biden not releasing these JFK files. 

Since you dispute that for some unknown reason, let's look at your exact words to see if you are "blaming Trump" or not.  Ready? 

"... in January [Trump] said the files can't be released for 3 years. President Biden can't release them as well." 

This explicitly claims that in January that President Trump prohibited the release of these files for three years and therefore Biden "can't release them."  There is no ambiguity on this claim.  It is, however, demonstrably false.  Trump established a timeline for release of these files in an executive memo on Oct. 26, 2017.  Pursuant to that timeline, Biden had to decide by Oct. 26, 2021 whether to release the files.  Biden had complete discretion and authority over that decision to allow the files to be released.  Trump's 2017 memo in no way precluded him from doing so.  In fact, it enabled Biden to release these files.  You have posted a complete and total lie in violation of forum rules.  This has now been pointed out to you.  Absent a retraction of your false statement here, you should be suspended from this forum again for intentionally spreading false information.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-memorandum-heads-executive-departments-agencies-2/

Can you even read? So pathetic how you cover for Criminal Donald. He is telling you he can't release the JFK Files. I expect you to retract your slanderous comment calling me a liar as I have blamed nobody and only published a fact. 

Trump boasted he’d open all JFK files, but now says he can’t

WASHINGTON (AP) ” President Donald Trump boasted last fall that he would open all remaining John F. Kennedy assassination records. So far, Trump hasn’t made good on the “great transparency” he promised then.

Trump announced on Thursday that the public must wait another three years or more before seeing material that must remain classified for national security reasons ” more than five decades after Kennedy was killed Nov. 23, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

The National Archives released its last batch of more than 19,000 records on Thursday. But an undisclosed amount of material remains under wraps because Trump said the potential harm to U.S. national security, law enforcement or foreign affairs is “of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.”

https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20180426/trump-boasted-hed-open-all-jfk-files-but-now-says-he-cant

[Rick Plant]

This is real simple Roger.  We are discussing a demonstrable fact established pursuant to a legal process.  Rick has repeatedly claimed that in January '21 Trump precluded Biden from releasing these files for three years.  Is it true or false that Biden "can't release" the files due to something that Trump did in January?  Is Biden "unable" to release the files due to some action that Trump took or not?  I posted the actual facts.  In 2017 (not 2021) Trump delayed the release of these files.  That necessitated a decision by the President (Biden) by Oct. 26, 2021 (today) as to whether to release the files.  Biden had the complete authority to do so.   He decided not to release the files.  Nothing Trump did rendered him "unable" to do so as Rick has now falsely claimed several times.

Nothing that I have said is false. You're making false accusations against me. 

Trump pledged to open classified JFK assassination files. What happened to that?
Trump tweeted in 2017 that he would order the files to be released. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

Dec. 7, 2020

The National Archives released its last batch of more than 19,000 records on Thursday. But an undisclosed amount of material remains under wraps because Trump said the potential harm to U.S. national security, law enforcement or foreign affairs is “of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/12/07/president-trump-pledged-to-open-classified-jfk-assassination-files-what-happened-to-that/

[Richard Smith]

So pathetic. I never blamed Trump for not releasing the files. But carry on with your ridiculous conspiracy theory. 

Again, it's not false. Criminal Donald boasted that he was going to release the JFK Files. Then he admitted in January that because of security reasons the files can't be released for at least 3 years. President Biden is unable to release them as well. I'm blaming nobody and you are breaking forum rules by calling me a liar.   

You have repeatedly claim that Biden is "unable to release them as well."  The only explanation you have given to support that statement is a false one.  Nothing that Trump did in January rendered Biden "unable" to release the documents for three years.  You appear to be confused or are lying about when Trump delayed the release of the files.  In 2017 (not "January"), Trump established a legal process that included a specific timetable to review the JFK files.  That process allowed the President to make a decision by Oct. 26, 2021 on whether to release the JFK files.  Biden is the president.  There is no three year prohibition on making this decision that renders Biden "unable" to do so as you have repeatedly claimed.  Biden had complete and total discretion to determine whether to release these files.  Nothing Trump did rendered Biden "unable" to release the files.  In fact, Trump's only relevance to this action was to enable Biden to release the files after Oct. 26 if he wanted. 

[Martin Weidmann]

You have repeatedly claim that Biden is "unable to release them as well."  The only explanation you have given to support that statement is a false one.  Nothing that Trump did in January rendered Biden "unable" to release the documents for three years.  You appear to be confused or are lying about when Trump delayed the release of the files.  In 2017 (not "January"), Trump established a legal process that included a specific timetable to review the JFK files.  That process allowed the President to make a decision by Oct. 26, 2021 on whether to release the JFK files.  Biden is the president.  There is no three year prohibition on making this decision that renders Biden "unable" to do so as you have repeatedly claimed.  Biden had complete and total discretion to determine whether to release these files.  Nothing Trump did rendered Biden "unable" to release the files.  In fact, Trump's only relevance to this action was to enable Biden to release the files after Oct. 26 if he wanted.

All this means that you can not provide evidence for your claim, which now turns out to be false;

"Rick has repeatedly claimed that in January '21 Trump precluded Biden from releasing these files for three years."

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up 

[Richard Smith]

All this means that you can not provide evidence for your claim, which now turns out to be false;

"Rick has repeatedly claimed that in January '21 Trump precluded Biden from releasing these files for three years."

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up 

I'm not exactly sure why you are participating in this discussion, but why is Biden "unable" to release the files for three years as Rick has repeatedly claimed if you are speaking for him.   He has repeatedly referenced that Trump did something in "January" while making this claim.  If whatever Trump did in January has no relevance as to Biden's ability to release the files (i.e. he is not blaming Trump) why repeatedly reference it in a discussion relating to Biden's decision not to release the files?  Did Biden have complete discretion to release the files on Oct. 26 or not?  It's not a trick question.   And, of course, the guy who refers to Trump as "Criminal Donald" in this thread and has posted thousands of anti-Trump tirades on this forum wouldn't "blame" Trump for anything.  Right?  Making that kind of dishonest statement is a new low even from a contrarian who fills this forum with endless absurdities.  The fact is that Rick either intentionally lied or was in complete ignorance of the facts.  In 2017 Trump delayed the release of the files and established a specific timeframe for their review that culminated with a decision being made by the President (i.e. Biden) on Oct. 26, 2021.  There was no action in January by Trump or any prohibition imposed by Trump that rendered Biden "unable" to release the files for three years.  That is a demonstrably false statement.