The Sign of a Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy Theory

[Bill Chapman]

The subject of the lying by the various TSBD employees needs it's own thread as it is too involved to get into in a single post. An example will have to suffice:
Hours after the assassination Bonnie Ray Williams is asked to give a statement concerning what he did and saw around the time of the assassination. In it he states:

"We worked up until about 10 minutes to 12. Then we went downstairs. We rode the elevator to the 1st floor and got our lunches. I went back on the 5th floor with a fellow called Hank and Junior, I don't know his last name. Just after we got to the 5th floor we saw the President coming round the corner on Houston from Main Street."

This is not an 'imperfect recollection'.
Nor is it the use of "subjective, non-specific language to describe events and times".
This is the creation of a new reality. A reality that did not occur. This is an out and out lie.

Do you disagree?

Imagine a black man being interviewed by the Dallas police in the early '60's about the most important crime ever to occur in that country and he decides to lie about what he did!!
I, personally, find that staggering and generalised statements about imperfect recollections does not cut it.
Bonnie Ray Williams lied on his same-day affidavit.
This may mean nothing to you but it does to me.

"This is the creation of a new reality. A reality that did not occur. This is an out and out lie."

I see you've joined the chorus:

BOOK II: CULT OF OSWALD
Everything is Sinister
Everything is a Lie
Everything is Planted
Everything is Faked
Everything is Altered
Everything is a Hoax
Everything is a Sham

Excerpt from the
CT BOOK OF OSWALD

[Dan O'meara]

"This is the creation of a new reality. A reality that did not occur. This is an out and out lie."

I see you've joined the chorus:

BOOK II: CULT OF OSWALD
Everything is Sinister
Everything is a Lie
Everything is Planted
Everything is Faked
Everything is Altered
Everything is a Hoax
Everything is a Sham

Excerpt from the
CT BOOK OF OSWALD

Grow up Bill.
Williams clearly lies on his same day affidavit then does a 180 the next day when the FBI come calling.
Why does he lie?
The lying of so many TSBD employees is a massive problem for the LN narrative.
Your only option is to counter it with meaningless posts.

[Richard Smith]

The subject of the lying by the various TSBD employees needs it's own thread as it is too involved to get into in a single post. An example will have to suffice:
Hours after the assassination Bonnie Ray Williams is asked to give a statement concerning what he did and saw around the time of the assassination. In it he states:

"We worked up until about 10 minutes to 12. Then we went downstairs. We rode the elevator to the 1st floor and got our lunches. I went back on the 5th floor with a fellow called Hank and Junior, I don't know his last name. Just after we got to the 5th floor we saw the President coming round the corner on Houston from Main Street."

This is not an 'imperfect recollection'.
Nor is it the use of "subjective, non-specific language to describe events and times".
This is the creation of a new reality. A reality that did not occur. This is an out and out lie.

Do you disagree?

Imagine a black man being interviewed by the Dallas police in the early '60's about the most important crime ever to occur in that country and he decides to lie about what he did!!
I, personally, find that staggering and generalised statements about imperfect recollections does not cut it.
Bonnie Ray Williams lied on his same-day affidavit.
This may mean nothing to you but it does to me.

You have provided a non-conspiracy explanation yourself.  In the 1960s maybe a black man doesn't want to acknowledge to the police that he was on the floor from which the President was assassinated just minutes later.  Maybe he just doesn't think it is all that important to mention since he saw nothing on the 6th floor to report.  It's a very short statement that does not contain every detail.  That doesn't make it a lie or mean he was covering up something as part of a conspiracy.  Also notice his use of "I" and "we" in the statement consistent with his actions if you fill in the omission.  Lots of plausible reasons.  People did things that day that seem inexplicable.  Frazier went into the building and ate his lunch just after watching the president get assassinated.  Women who believed the shots were fired from the TSBD nevertheless went back into the building to go back to work.  What is important to us with 60 years of hindsight might not have seemed like a crucial detail to someone writing a short statement of events just after the fact. 

[Bill Chapman]

The reality. Smirking and winking whilst Mr's Kennedy's back is turned. A cuddle and commiserations from the snakes.

American exceptionalism brainwashing victims refuse to accept the truth. What they inflicted upon many other nations also visited them.

[Bill Chapman]

Grow up Bill.
Williams clearly lies on his same day affidavit then does a 180 the next day when the FBI come calling.
Why does he lie?
The lying of so many TSBD employees is a massive problem for the LN narrative.
Your only option is to counter it with meaningless posts.

  My option is to quote the witnesses

 
   billchapman
   William Whaley

   
   billchapman
   What Earlene Roberts witnessed around 1:00pm
   at Oswald's safe house 11.22.63   

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   WITNESSES_GROUP OF 12+
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   billchapman
   Helen Markham_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Ted Callaway_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Barbara Davis_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Victoria Davis_Group of 12


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   Sam Guinyard_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Warren Reynolds_Group of 12

[Dan O'meara]

You have provided a non-conspiracy explanation yourself.  In the 1960s maybe a black man doesn't want to acknowledge to the police that he was on the floor from which the President was assassinated just minutes later.

So you agree, he does lie about not being on the 6th floor?
However, the reason you offer makes zero sense. A young black male, being interviewed by notoriously racist police, decides to lie to their faces concerning a crime of such magnitude because he was on the same floor as the assassin? Rather than just tell them everything he knows.
You may think that is somehow plausible but I do not.

And how do you know that Williams knew where the assassin fired from by the time he was taken in?

Maybe he just doesn't think it is all that important to mention since he saw nothing on the 6th floor to report.

This is a really bizarre comment.
If he saw nothing to report why would he create a lie to avoid telling the police he was up there?
Remember - it's not that BRW fails to mention being on the 6th floor, that could be forgetfulness, the important thing is that he creates a new reality (deliberately lies) in order to give the impression he was never there.
Also of importance is that he drags Norman and Jarman into this lie.
How could he tell this specific lie if he knew Norman and Jarman would say something different when they were interviewed.
Why would he tell such an easily refuted lie to the Dallas police, knowing there would be very severe consequences when caught out in that lie?
The only feasible explanation is that he was confident Jarman and Norman would support him in the lie.
Which is exactly what they do.

It's a very short statement that does not contain every detail.  That doesn't make it a lie or mean he was covering up something as part of a conspiracy.

It contains these details - after collecting his lunch he accompanies Jarman and Norman up to the 5th floor and shortly after they all arrive on the 5th floor the motorcade arrives.
This is a complete fabrication, a deliberate untruth, a lie.
It is not a misunderstanding due to the brevity of the affidavit or "misremberance". It is the creation of a falsehood.

How can we be sure that is the case?
Because the very next day he tells the FBI the following:

"At approximately 12 noon, WILLIAMS went back upstairs in the elevator to the sixth floor with his lunch. He stayed on that floor only about three minutes, and seeing no-one there, descended to the fifth floor using the stairs at the west end of the building. There he joined two other men known to him as HANK and JUNIOR"

In this account, given 24 hrs after the first, BRW now goes up to the 6th floor on his own, sees there is no-one there and goes down to the 5th floor to Norman and Jarman.
This is a completely different account to the lie he told the DPD.
Extraordinarily he also lies to the FBI !!

I find this quite mind-blowing - it's one thing to lie to the DPD but then to lie to the FBI is off the charts.
Williams states that he is on the 6th floor for only 3 minutes, sees no-one there, and comes down to the 5th floor.
We now know this is a complete lie.
BRW is up on the 6th for around 25 minutes having his lunch before he goes down to the 5th floor.
Remember - he's not giving this statement months later, it's the day after the assassination!
He is supposed to be giving an accurate description of his movements by the FBI as part of an investigation into the assassination of the President of the United States...and he lies!

And this is not the end of his lying, it continues into his WC testimony.
And a pattern emerges - he is at pains to downplay how long he is on the 6th and to distance himself from the Sniper's Nest while he is up there.

If you can think of a REASONABLE explanation why he does this I would like to hear it.

LATER EDIT: I am not implying that BRW is in anyway involved in a conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

[Dan O'meara]

  My option is to quote the witnesses

 
   billchapman
   William Whaley

   
   billchapman
   What Earlene Roberts witnessed around 1:00pm
   at Oswald's safe house 11.22.63   

   -------------------------------
   WITNESSES_GROUP OF 12+
   ------------------------------


   billchapman
   Helen Markham_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Ted Callaway_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Barbara Davis_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Victoria Davis_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Sam Guinyard_Group of 12


   billchapman
   Warren Reynolds_Group of 12

What did I say:

"Your only option is to counter it with meaningless posts."

WTF does the Tippit murder have to do with Bonnie Ray Williams?
Don't bother to answer Bill as we all know the answer.