Perception of Reality

[Charles Collins]

Can you post the Myers documents you refer to?
Otherwise it's an unsubstantiated claim.

It’s in another thread that I started, so it isn’t unsubstantiated. I dislike repeating myself. But if I have time I will look it up just for you.

[Dan O'meara]

It’s in another thread that I started, so it isn’t unsubstantiated. I dislike repeating myself. But if I have time I will look it up just for you.

If you can find time in your busy day just point me the thread you started, I'll do the work.

[Charles Collins]

If you can find time in your busy day just point me the thread you started, I'll do the work.

I don’t remember off the top of my head which thread but am in the process of looking. I did find a link to a video compilation by Brian Roselle that shows the stoppages in the Dorman film as it relates to the Zapruder film and a reenactment film:

https://sites.google.com/view/dorman-zapruder-sync-on-elm-st/home

I will continue to look for the Dale Myers stuff that I believe I previously posted.

[Charles Collins]

If you can find time in your busy day just point me the thread you started, I'll do the work.

I gave up trying to find it here. But I do remember posting it in another thread. Anyway here is some substantiation for you:

A link to the download page of Dale Myers’ website:

http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/report_download.html

Either of the PDF files will get you the complete report. Look in the appendix III section for the timeline synchronization of the various films.

Here is a photo showing that the Hughes, Towner, and Dorman films all suddenly stopped about the same time. Tina Towner said she stopped filming on purpose and very shortly thereafter the shot rang out. Her film is the first of the three to stop, then the other two do shortly thereafter.

[Andrew Mason]

Victoria Adams spoke to detective James R. Leavelle of the DPD on 2/17/64. This is part of her statement: "When the President got in front of us I heard someone call him, and he turned. That is when I heard the first shot."

Suddenly and very rapidly jerking their heads around from right to the left and back again almost simultaneously is not normal. It’s an indication that something unexpected has happened. I believe that it was the first shot.

Again the difference between your approach and mine is verifiable photographic evidence.

It is not photographic evidence that differs.  The photographic evidence has to fit well corroborated independent consistent witness accounts.  It is our interpretation of the photographic evidence that differs.

The comment of Adam's is important.  You will recall that as the President approached the Woodward group, he was not looking at the north side of Elm.  So Mary Woodward yelled to him and she said he responded by turning and waving.  Just after the President passed by the first horrible ear-shattering noise was heard. So Adams' statement fits with Mary Woodward's statement and a first shot just after JFK passed by Mary Woodward. That puts it after z190. The first shot.

I am not sure what you are looking at around z133 to think that a first shot occurred there. No witness says it had to be that early and dozens said it had to be about 60 frames later.

[Charles Collins]

It is not photographic evidence that differs.  The photographic evidence has to fit well corroborated independent consistent witness accounts.  It is our interpretation of the photographic evidence that differs.

The comment of Adam's is important.  You will recall that as the President approached the Woodward group, he was not looking at the north side of Elm.  So Mary Woodward yelled to him and she said he responded by turning and waving.  Just after the President passed by the first horrible ear-shattering noise was heard. So Adams' statement fits with Mary Woodward's statement and a first shot just after JFK passed by Mary Woodward. That puts it after z190. The first shot.

I am not sure what you are looking at around z133 to think that a first shot occurred there. No witness says it had to be that early and dozens said it had to be about 60 frames later.

You are misinterpreting things based on your own confirmation bias. If you want to see the JFK actions described by Victoria Adams you need to look near the end of Tina Towner’s film segment. It’s a different wave.

[Andrew Mason]

You are misinterpreting things based on your own confirmation bias. If you want to see the JFK actions described by Victoria Adams you need to look near the end of Tina Towner’s film segment. It’s a different wave.

The point is that Adams and Woodward can be explained and fit with each other and the zfilm (and the occupants of the cars, the shot pattern, etc.).  Your interpretation does not fit Woodward or any of the other evidence. That is your confirmation bias!