Have we established that Bill Whaley did NOT transport Lee Oswald to Oakcliff?

[Jerry Freeman]

All of the above is BS....   Because Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger....

Passenger or not here is the affidavit-----

Not usually produced by the Oswald did it crowd ...the 500 block of Beckley is at Beckley and Davis intersection...6 long blocks past the rooming house. With a problem like that...the Feds had to twist Whaley's arm. By testimony time the-- "we reached the 500 block" had changed. The $.95 fare didn't.

Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

That is your BS.

[Dan O'meara]

how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?

Thanks for asking the question that I'm sure others would ask.....

Perhaps you yourself, can answer that question ......  How much time had passed between the murder of JFK and the alleged Whaley Taxi ride?  Twenty minutes?.....   Did any law enforcement have ESP?....   The investigators hadn't yet found the so called "Sniper's Nest" and Lee wasn't even known to be missing from the Building at that point.  If Lee had been guilty he would have known that nobody could possibly have suspected him just twenty minutes after the murder.  So reconnoitering the rooming house would have been utterly without cause and the extended trip would have wasted valuable escape time.

So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination.
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.

Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.

[Walt Cakebread]

Then whose cab DID Oswald get into on 11/22/63, Walt?

We know that LHO took a cab to Beckley on 11/22. Even Oswald himself admitted to doing this. So whose cab was it---if not Whaley's?

Did any other cab driver in Dallas ever come forth and say it was HE (and not Whaley) who drove LHO to Oak Cliff?

Answer to the above is, of course----No.

I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?

(Awaiting Walt's next insane theory....)

I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?

Why would a cab driver want to get involved?.....   BUT....How d you know that the driver of the CITY cab that transported Lee to the rooming house didn't notify the police?.....  And they told him that he was mistaken about the identity of his passenger because William Whaley was the cabbie who transported Lee Oswald to Oakclif.    And he'd be wise to just forget about the trip that he had made.

I'm sure that you will scoff at this, but I'd remind you that many witnesses who offered information to the authorities were told to keep their mouth shut and just forget about what they had seen.

[Walt Cakebread]

So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination.
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.

Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.

So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination."

Yes, that is the image that he wanted projected.... However, he probably was awakening to the fact that someone had actually shot JFK when he went outside.    And during the ride to the rooming house,  the cab driver told him that JFK had been shot .

You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.

No ...That's not correct....Lee didn't know that he was being made a scapegoat.... He was playing the role in a stage play....He had no idea that the conspirators were plotting to kil JFK under the cover of his staged attempt to shoot JFK.

Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.

already answered.... He didn't know that he was being set up ....He trusted his handler who  knew that Lee was playing the role in a stage play.

It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.

Not even his handler knew that Lee had rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley..... That was first learned during the interrogation at 3:15 pm

Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.

Yes, perhaps if the authorities were clairvoyant ....and could draw information out of thin air.

Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.

SO what??....  They Hadn't discovered the stage area with the throw down spent shells but even if they had how would they connect that stage prop to Lee Oswald??

Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.

When You have made up your mind that Lee was the killer....Anything is possible......   If you don't believe that just read Chapman's posts.  I thought that you were more open minded than Lil Chappie....

[Dan O'meara]

So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination."

Yes, that is the image that he wanted projected.... However, he probably was awakening to the fact that someone had actually shot JFK when he went outside.    And during the ride to the rooming house,  the cab driver told him that JFK had been shot .

You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.

No ...That's not correct....Lee didn't know that he was being made a scapegoat.... He was playing the role in a stage play....He had no idea that the conspirators were plotting to kil JFK under the cover of his staged attempt to shoot JFK.

Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.

already answered.... He didn't know that he was being set up ....He trusted his handler who  knew that Lee was playing the role in a stage play.

It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.

Not even his handler knew that Lee had rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley..... That was first learned during the interrogation at 3:15 pm

Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.

Yes, perhaps if the authorities were clairvoyant ....and could draw information out of thin air.

Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.

SO what??....  They Hadn't discovered the stage area with the throw down spent shells but even if they had how would they connect that stage prop to Lee Oswald??

Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.

When You have made up your mind that Lee was the killer....Anything is possible......   If you don't believe that just read Chapman's posts.  I thought that you were more open minded than Lil Chappie....

Read the post Walt,
I never said I thought Oswald was the killer.
How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?

[Walt Cakebread]

Read the post Walt,
I never said I thought Oswald was the killer.
How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?

How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?

That's a tough question Dan....

You may recall that Marina had told Lee that he was a damned fool ( not her exact words, but words to that effect ) when he told her that he had shot at General Walker and missed......   She apprised him of the possibility that someone could have taken advantage of the opportunity and actually have shot Walker while he was firing a bullet through the window.

IOW....Lee should have known that he was playing with dynamite....and I think he recognized that, because he certainly took careful notice of Jarman and Norman passing by the lunchroom at the time when JFK's motor cade was passing by the TSBD. Thus establishing the solid alibi that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom at the time the president passed by the TSBD.     

When did Lee realize that he was the scapegoat.....Well I know he knew that JFK had been murdered before he blew up at FBI agent Hosty.  He had tried to warn Hosty by leaving him a note that told Hosty to come to talk to him.  I believe hat he realized hat he'd been made the patsy during the questioning......   That's when he demanded a Lawyer.....

He'd had to have been as stupid as Chapman if he didn't see that he was being made the patsy during the questioning by fritz.

[Richard Smith]

I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?

Why would a cab driver want to get involved?.....   BUT....How d you know that the driver of the CITY cab that transported Lee to the rooming house didn't notify the police?.....  And they told him that he was mistaken about the identity of his passenger because William Whaley was the cabbie who transported Lee Oswald to Oakclif.    And he'd be wise to just forget about the trip that he had made.

I'm sure that you will scoff at this, but I'd remind you that many witnesses who offered information to the authorities were told to keep their mouth shut and just forget about what they had seen.

Why would the DPD care which cab driver gave Oswald a ride?  Good grief.