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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate => Topic started by: Walt Cakebread on September 25, 2021, 06:06:00 PM
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Are there those who wish to debate Whaley's tale about transporting Lee Oswald to 500 n. Beckley...... Or....would it be better to vote on the subject? Those who believe Whaley's tale vote "aye"..... And those who do not believe the tale vote "nay"
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Are there those who wish to debate Whaley's tale about transporting Lee Oswald to 500 n. Beckley...... Or....would it be better to vote on the subject? Those who believe Whaley's tale vote "aye"..... And those who do not believe the tale vote "nay"
Those who believe Whaley's tale vote "aye"..... And those who do not believe the tale vote "nay"
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Those who believe Whaley's tale vote "aye"..... And those who do not believe the tale vote "nay"
Then what?
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Then what?
Perhaps then we can flush the William Whaley BS down the sewer...... And all of the little imaginary stories to incriminate Lee Oswald will be gone... Stories like ..... Lee had Whaley drive past the rooming house so he could reconnoiter the area before he approached the house. That is an utterly ridiculous idea, but the LNer's actually believe it.
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Are there those who wish to debate Whaley's tale about transporting Lee Oswald to 500 n. Beckley...... Or....would it be better to vote on the subject? Those who believe Whaley's tale vote "aye"..... And those who do not believe the tale vote "nay"
No vote needed
(https://i.postimg.cc/L5K8cxWN/4-i-Phone-WHALEY-HAULED-OSWALD.png)
billchapman
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Perhaps then we can flush the William Whaley BS down the sewer...... And all of the little imaginary stories to incriminate Lee Oswald will be gone... Stories like ..... Lee had Whaley drive past the rooming house so he could reconnoiter the area before he approached the house. That is an utterly ridiculous idea, but the LNer's actually believe it.
If (note the word "if" Walt) Oswald is a fugitive on the run, deeply involved in the assassination of the President of the United States, how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
In another post you use the phrase "innocent patsy" when referring to Oswald, what do you mean by this?
I note that a lot of forum members believe Oswald was just an innocent bystander framed by those responsible for the assassination. Is that how you view the situation?
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Perhaps then we can flush the William Whaley BS down the sewer...... And all of the little imaginary stories to incriminate Lee Oswald will be gone... Stories like ..... Lee had Whaley drive past the rooming house so he could reconnoiter the area before he approached the house. That is an utterly ridiculous idea, but the LNer's actually believe it.
'That is an utterly ridiculous idea'
_ then it must be one of yours
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If (note the word "if" Walt) Oswald is a fugitive on the run, deeply involved in the assassination of the President of the United States, how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
In another post you use the phrase "innocent patsy" when referring to Oswald, what do you mean by this?
I note that a lot of forum members believe Oswald was just an innocent bystander framed by those responsible for the assassination. Is that how you view the situation?
how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
Thanks for asking the question that I'm sure others would ask.....
Perhaps you yourself, can answer that question ...... How much time had passed between the murder of JFK and the alleged Whaley Taxi ride? Twenty minutes?..... Did any law enforcement have ESP?.... The investigators hadn't yet found the so called "Sniper's Nest" and Lee wasn't even known to be missing from the Building at that point. If Lee had been guilty he would have known that nobody could possibly have suspected him just twenty minutes after the murder. So reconnoitering the rooming house would have been utterly without cause and the extended trip would have wasted valuable escape time.
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If (note the word "if" Walt) Oswald is a fugitive on the run, deeply involved in the assassination of the President of the United States, how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
In another post you use the phrase "innocent patsy" when referring to Oswald, what do you mean by this?
I note that a lot of forum members believe Oswald was just an innocent bystander framed by those responsible for the assassination. Is that how you view the situation?
I note that a lot of forum members believe Oswald was just an innocent bystander framed by those responsible for the assassination. Is that how you view the situation?
An innocent bystander?..... I'd say a naive and trusting sucker..... He knew that there was a serious plot afoot to assassinate JFK. And he had notified the FBI.... The "Hosty note" was an attempt to get Hosty to come to talk to him in person. *** Recall that Hosty said that the note ordered Hosty to stop badgering Marina, and leave her alone...."If you want information then come talk to me, but leave my wife alone"
Lee was involved in a "Stage Play" in which he was the star who attempted to shoot JFK but had missed and the fled to Cuba.
He knew that there was a real attempt to kill JFK afoot and he tried desperately to warn the FBI. I seriously doubt that he suspected that the real plot would take place in Dealey Plaza in front of the TSBD. If he had suspected that the real plot was going to take place at the same time and place (in Dealey Plaza) while he was pretending and playing the same basic role that he had played at General Walker's, I doubt that he would have answered the "curtain call" . But he had been assured that the FBI knew of the plot to kill JFK at the Trade Mart but they had everything under control so there was no need to worry.
However he did not follow the script ...... I believe that the conspirators had planned to kill him immediately after JFK was killed. He was supposed to be behind that sixth floor window where an "Alert law enforcement officer" would have shot him, and that would have closed the case then and there.....With the rifle the spent shells and the body of the assin right there on the sixth floor the case would have never opened..... Lee knew the spent shells had been planted and he knew the rifle had been left for the cops to find just as he had done at Walkers so he simply needed to stay out of sight when the firecracker's exploded and it would appear that he had tried to shoot JFK and then hid the rifle while fleeing from the sixth floor.
*** Recall that Lee blew his top at Hosty when they started interrogating him at 3:15...... He was pissed off because he had warned Hosty that there was a right wing group that was plotting to kill JFK, and Hosty had assured him that the FBI had everything under control.....
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how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
Thanks for asking the question that I'm sure others would ask.....
Perhaps you yourself, can answer that question ...... How much time had passed between the murder of JFK and the alleged Whaley Taxi ride? Twenty minutes?..... Did any law enforcement have ESP?.... The investigators hadn't yet found the so called "Sniper's Nest" and Lee wasn't even known to be missing from the Building at that point. If Lee had been guilty he would have known that nobody could possibly have suspected him just twenty minutes after the murder. So reconnoitering the rooming house would have been utterly without cause and the extended trip would have wasted valuable escape time.
How would Oswald have any idea what the authorities knew or didn't know at that point? A cop had already pulled a gun on him. For all he knew, there were witnesses on the street who saw him fire the rifle. He was missing from the building and a person of interest to the FBI even before the assassination. Oswald had good cause to be cautious that his name had already come up and the authorities were looking for him. At the very least, he had just committed the crime of the century and had ample cause to be careful. He probably shot Tippit for similar reasons. He couldn't afford to identify himself to Tippit because he had to be concerned that he had been linked to the assassination and the authorities were looking for him. So he acts accordingly.
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I note that a lot of forum members believe Oswald was just an innocent bystander framed by those responsible for the assassination. Is that how you view the situation?
An innocent bystander?..... I'd say a naive and trusting sucker..... He knew that there was a serious plot afoot to assassinate JFK. And he had notified the FBI.... The "Hosty note" was an attempt to get Hosty to come to talk to him in person. *** Recall that Hosty said that the note ordered Hosty to stop badgering Marina, and leave her alone...."If you want information then come talk to me, but leave my wife alone"
Lee was involved in a "Stage Play" in which he was the star who attempted to shoot JFK but had missed and the fled to Cuba.
He knew that there was a real attempt to kill JFK afoot and he tried desperately to warn the FBI. I seriously doubt that he suspected that the real plot would take place in Dealey Plaza in front of the TSBD. If he had suspected that the real plot was going to take place at the same time and place (in Dealey Plaza) while he was pretending and playing the same basic role that he had played at General Walker's, I doubt that he would have answered the "curtain call" . But he had been assured that the FBI knew of the plot to kill JFK at the Trade Mart but they had everything under control so there was no need to worry.
However he did not follow the script ...... I believe that the conspirators had planned to kill him immediately after JFK was killed. He was supposed to be behind that sixth floor window where an "Alert law enforcement officer" would have shot him, and that would have closed the case then and there.....With the rifle the spent shells and the body of the assin right there on the sixth floor the case would have never opened..... Lee knew the spent shells had been planted and he knew the rifle had been left for the cops to find just as he had done at Walkers so he simply needed to stay out of sight when the firecracker's exploded and it would appear that he had tried to shoot JFK and then hid the rifle while fleeing from the sixth floor.
*** Recall that Lee blew his top at Hosty when they started interrogating him at 3:15...... He was pissed off because he had warned Hosty that there was a right wing group that was plotting to kill JFK, and Hosty had assured him that the FBI had everything under control.....
So Oswald is actually the hero of this fantasy! Why doesn't he just not show up at the TSBD on 11.22 if he knew there was a plot afoot? Or go down to the street and tell one of the many cops present that there is something going on? Instead he continues to play along? LOL. And after all this buildup to the assassination while he is playing along in Gomer Pyle-like bliss, he suddenly wises up at 12:30 and understands he is in big trouble. This comes as a revelation to him? Why doesn't this occur to him before the assassination? Even if he thinks the assassination attempt is a ruse, as the attempted assassin of the President his arse would still be grass.
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So Oswald is actually the hero of this fantasy! Why doesn't he just not show up at the TSBD on 11.22 if he knew there was a plot afoot? Or go down to the street and tell one of the many cops present that there is something going on? Instead he continues to play along? LOL. And after all this buildup to the assassination while he is playing along in Gomer Pyle-like bliss, he suddenly wises up at 12:30 and understands he is in big trouble. This comes as a revelation to him? Why doesn't this occur to him before the assassination? Even if he thinks the assassination attempt is a ruse, as the attempted assassin of the President his arse would still be grass.
Why doesn't he just not show up at the TSBD on 11.22 if he knew there was a plot afoot? Or go down to the street and tell one of the many cops present that there is something going on?
You are a idiot, and a simpleton ....Mr "Smith" But most LNer's "think" along the same simpleton lines.....So I'll try to explain it. even though I doubt that you'll comprehend.
Lee Oswald was a SPY....An agent who was trying to get inside Fidel Castro's Island Bastion.... THAT was his mission. In the process of setting up his image as a friend of Castro he stumbled across the plot to Kill JFK. He wasn't privy to the details*** of the plot but he knew it was afoot....and he tried to warn the FBI . The FBI told him that they were aware of the plot and they had everything under control.
*** Lee didn't know that the assassins were planning to kill JFK at the same time that he was pretending to shoot JFK...He apparently thought the assassins would attempt the strike at the Trade Mart .
The fact that Lee was an agent..... Answers many of your simpleton questions. You'll simply have to extract your head to see.
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Why doesn't he just not show up at the TSBD on 11.22 if he knew there was a plot afoot? Or go down to the street and tell one of the many cops present that there is something going on?
You are a idiot, and a simpleton ....Mr "Smith" But most LNer's "think" along the same simpleton lines.....So I'll try to explain it. even though I doubt that you'll comprehend.
Lee Oswald was a SPY....An agent who was trying to get inside Fidel Castro's Island Bastion.... THAT was his mission. In the process of setting up his image as a friend of Castro he stumbled across the plot to Kill JFK. He wasn't privy to the details*** of the plot but he knew it was afoot....and he tried to warn the FBI . The FBI told him that they were aware of the plot and they had everything under control.
*** Lee didn't know that the assassins were planning to kill JFK at the same time that he was pretending to shoot JFK...He apparently thought the assassins would attempt the strike at the Trade Mart .
The fact that Lee was an agent..... Answers many of your simpleton questions. You'll simply have to extract your head to see.
It was you that suggested in your fantasy that Oswald was attempting to inform on the conspirators to the FBI. When that failed, why didn't he just tell one of the many cops in front of the TSBD that something was up? Instead he just hangs around and allows himself to be framed. Silly. You should be ashamed to peddle this baseless fantasies.
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It was you that suggested in your fantasy that Oswald was attempting to inform on the conspirators to the FBI. When that failed, why didn't he just tell one of the many cops in front of the TSBD that something was up? Instead he just hangs around and allows himself to be framed. Silly. You should be ashamed to peddle this baseless fantasies.
When that failed, why didn't he just tell one of the many cops in front of the TSBD that something was up?
:D Geeez, Mr Smith, How old are you?.... A ten year old has better reasoning ability than you display.
A) How would Lee know that his warning had fell on deaf ears?....He was told they were well aware of the plot and they had everything under control.
Lee didn't know that the assassination was planned for Dealey....He thought the attempt would take place at the Trade Mart. So why would he ruin his mission and foil his own staged attempt and ruin his opportunity to flee to Cuba.
You should be ashamed to display such a poor reasoning mind.
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When that failed, why didn't he just tell one of the many cops in front of the TSBD that something was up?
:D Geeez, Mr Smith, How old are you?.... A ten year old has better reasoning ability than you display.
A) How would Lee know that his warning had fell on deaf ears?....He was told they were well aware of the plot and they had everything under control.
Lee didn't know that the assassination was planned for Dealey....He thought the attempt would take place at the Trade Mart. So why would he ruin his mission and foil his own staged attempt and ruin his opportunity to flee to Cuba.
You should be ashamed to display such a poor reasoning mind.
So Oswald who worked in the TSBD and spent the entire morning there didn't notice any of his fellow conspirators in the building setting up the SN, hiding the gun, planting bullet casings? How exactly would Oswald's opportunity to flee to Cuba be promoted by an assassination attempt occurring at the Trade Mart? I thought in this fantasy that Oswald was supposed to be implicated as the assassin and escape to Cuba under that pretext but if they assassination attempt is to occur somewhere else that goes out the window.
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So Oswald who worked in the TSBD and spent the entire morning there didn't notice any of his fellow conspirators in the building setting up the SN, hiding the gun, planting bullet casings? How exactly would Oswald's opportunity to flee to Cuba be promoted by an assassination attempt occurring at the Trade Mart? I thought in this fantasy that Oswald was supposed to be implicated as the assassin and escape to Cuba under that pretext but if they assassination attempt is to occur somewhere else that goes out the window.
didn't notice any of his fellow conspirators in the building setting up the SN, hiding the gun, planting bullet casings?
Mr "Smith".... Where do you gat these goofy ideas? Fellow conspirators???
How exactly would Oswald's opportunity to flee to Cuba be promoted by an assassination attempt occurring at the Trade Mart?
Duh..... Le assumed that the attempt to assassinate JFK would happen at the Trade Mart..... If he assumed that to be true, then his staged attempt would would probably foil the real attempt at the Trade Mart.
You really should retire from this discussion Mr. "Smith" ....you simply don't have the reasoning ability for it.
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didn't notice any of his fellow conspirators in the building setting up the SN, hiding the gun, planting bullet casings?
Mr "Smith".... Where do you gat these goofy ideas? Fellow conspirators???
How exactly would Oswald's opportunity to flee to Cuba be promoted by an assassination attempt occurring at the Trade Mart?
Duh..... Le assumed that the attempt to assassinate JFK would happen at the Trade Mart..... If he assumed that to be true, then his staged attempt would would probably foil the real attempt at the Trade Mart.
You really should retire from this discussion Mr. "Smith" ....you simply don't have the reasoning ability for it.
You don't qualify for having any reasoning ability at all.
You are totally out-of-touch with reality.
To wit:
(https://i.postimg.cc/VsZJXk6C/waldo-confused.png)
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didn't notice any of his fellow conspirators in the building setting up the SN, hiding the gun, planting bullet casings?
Mr "Smith".... Where do you gat these goofy ideas? Fellow conspirators???
How exactly would Oswald's opportunity to flee to Cuba be promoted by an assassination attempt occurring at the Trade Mart?
Duh..... Le assumed that the attempt to assassinate JFK would happen at the Trade Mart..... If he assumed that to be true, then his staged attempt would would probably foil the real attempt at the Trade Mart.
You really should retire from this discussion Mr. "Smith" ....you simply don't have the reasoning ability for it.
This gets better and better. If there were no conspirators at the TSBD, then it was Lee who framed himself as the assassin at the TSBD to somehow thwart a real assassination planned at the Trade Mart? In which case, it must have been his MC rifle on the 6th floor etc.?
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LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S
CAB RIDE ON 11/22/63....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1324.html
And....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/09/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1016.html
Excerpt....
CORY SANTOS SAID:
David, why did LHO not get dropped off right at the boarding house?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
We would need to dig up Lee Oswald and ask him directly---because he's the only one who can answer that now-unanswerable question. But I've given my opinion on this subject in the past, such as this answer I gave to Bill Kelly when he asked me that same question at The Education Forum in 2013:
"As to why Oswald took the cab three blocks beyond his roominghouse (it wasn't five blocks beyond, because Oswald was dropped off at the corner of Beckley & Neely, which is the 700 block of Beckley), I think the answer to that is two-fold:
He didn't want cab driver Whaley to be able to tell anybody later exactly where he lived. And, probably of more critical importance to Oswald at the time, he wanted to check the area of his roominghouse for police activity. Oswald would have had no way of knowing how quickly the police would be on his trail, and he certainly didn't want to walk right into the arms of a waiting policeman on his Beckley doorstep.
Yes, it's true that Oswald wouldn't have to have driven three whole blocks beyond his room in order to see if some police were at 1026 N. Beckley, but he might have been thinking that anybody who wanted to surprise the Presidential assassin probably wouldn't be advertising himself by parking his marked police car right in front of 1026 Beckley. Therefore, he wanted to "case" the neighborhood a few blocks away from his room. (IMO, that's what he did.)
I'll once again reverse the tables regarding this question:
If Lee Oswald didn't have anything to hide and wasn't worried about being picked up by the authorities on 11/22/63, then why indeed did he tell William Whaley to drive a few blocks beyond his roominghouse that day?
In the final analysis, doesn't this type of strange behavior on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald on the day the President was shot from Oswald's own workplace lead much more toward Oswald's GUILT than it does his INNOCENCE?" -- DVP; September 2013
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LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S
CAB RIDE ON 11/22/63....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1324.html
And....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/09/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1016.html
Excerpt....
CORY SANTOS SAID:
David, why did LHO not get dropped off right at the boarding house?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
We would need to dig up Lee Oswald and ask him directly---because he's the only one who can answer that now-unanswerable question. But I've given my opinion on this subject in the past, such as this answer I gave to Bill Kelly when he asked me that same question at The Education Forum in 2013:
"As to why Oswald took the cab three blocks beyond his roominghouse (it wasn't five blocks beyond, because Oswald was dropped off at the corner of Beckley & Neely, which is the 700 block of Beckley), I think the answer to that is two-fold:
He didn't want cab driver Whaley to be able to tell anybody later exactly where he lived. And, probably of more critical importance to Oswald at the time, he wanted to check the area of his roominghouse for police activity. Oswald would have had no way of knowing how quickly the police would be on his trail, and he certainly didn't want to walk right into the arms of a waiting policeman on his Beckley doorstep.
Yes, it's true that Oswald wouldn't have to have driven three whole blocks beyond his room in order to see if some police were at 1026 N. Beckley, but he might have been thinking that anybody who wanted to surprise the Presidential assassin probably wouldn't be advertising himself by parking his marked police car right in front of 1026 Beckley. Therefore, he wanted to "case" the neighborhood a few blocks away from his room. (IMO, that's what he did.)
I'll once again reverse the tables regarding this question:
If Lee Oswald didn't have anything to hide and wasn't worried about being picked up by the authorities on 11/22/63, then why indeed did he tell William Whaley to drive a few blocks beyond his roominghouse that day?
In the final analysis, doesn't this type of strange behavior on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald on the day the President was shot from Oswald's own workplace lead much more toward Oswald's GUILT than it does his INNOCENCE?" -- DVP; September 2013
All of the above is BS.... Because Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger....
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http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1324.html
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/09/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1016.html
All of the above is BS. Because Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger.
Then whose cab DID Oswald get into on 11/22/63, Walt?
We know that LHO took a cab to Beckley on 11/22. Even Oswald himself admitted to doing this. So whose cab was it---if not Whaley's?
Did any other cab driver in Dallas ever come forth and say it was HE (and not Whaley) who drove LHO to Oak Cliff?
Answer to the above is, of course----No.
I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?
(Awaiting Walt's next insane theory....)
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All of the above is BS.... Because Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger....
Passenger or not here is the affidavit-----
(https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340509/m1/1/med_res/)
Not usually produced by the Oswald did it crowd ...the 500 block of Beckley is at Beckley and Davis intersection...6 long blocks past the rooming house. With a problem like that...the Feds had to twist Whaley's arm. By testimony time the-- "we reached the 500 block" had changed. The $.95 fare didn't.Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of North Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
That is your BS.
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how is it "an utterly ridiculous idea" that he would have the taxi drive past where he lived in order to check out if someone was there waiting for him?
Thanks for asking the question that I'm sure others would ask.....
Perhaps you yourself, can answer that question ...... How much time had passed between the murder of JFK and the alleged Whaley Taxi ride? Twenty minutes?..... Did any law enforcement have ESP?.... The investigators hadn't yet found the so called "Sniper's Nest" and Lee wasn't even known to be missing from the Building at that point. If Lee had been guilty he would have known that nobody could possibly have suspected him just twenty minutes after the murder. So reconnoitering the rooming house would have been utterly without cause and the extended trip would have wasted valuable escape time.
So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination.
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.
Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.
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Then whose cab DID Oswald get into on 11/22/63, Walt?
We know that LHO took a cab to Beckley on 11/22. Even Oswald himself admitted to doing this. So whose cab was it---if not Whaley's?
Did any other cab driver in Dallas ever come forth and say it was HE (and not Whaley) who drove LHO to Oak Cliff?
Answer to the above is, of course----No.
I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?
(Awaiting Walt's next insane theory....)
I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?
Why would a cab driver want to get involved?..... BUT....How d you know that the driver of the CITY cab that transported Lee to the rooming house didn't notify the police?..... And they told him that he was mistaken about the identity of his passenger because William Whaley was the cabbie who transported Lee Oswald to Oakclif. And he'd be wise to just forget about the trip that he had made.
I'm sure that you will scoff at this, but I'd remind you that many witnesses who offered information to the authorities were told to keep their mouth shut and just forget about what they had seen.
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So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination.
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.
Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.
So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination."
Yes, that is the image that he wanted projected.... However, he probably was awakening to the fact that someone had actually shot JFK when he went outside. And during the ride to the rooming house, the cab driver told him that JFK had been shot .
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
No ...That's not correct....Lee didn't know that he was being made a scapegoat.... He was playing the role in a stage play....He had no idea that the conspirators were plotting to kil JFK under the cover of his staged attempt to shoot JFK.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
already answered.... He didn't know that he was being set up ....He trusted his handler who knew that Lee was playing the role in a stage play.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Not even his handler knew that Lee had rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley..... That was first learned during the interrogation at 3:15 pm
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Yes, perhaps if the authorities were clairvoyant ....and could draw information out of thin air.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.
SO what??.... They Hadn't discovered the stage area with the throw down spent shells but even if they had how would they connect that stage prop to Lee Oswald??
Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.
When You have made up your mind that Lee was the killer....Anything is possible...... If you don't believe that just read Chapman's posts. I thought that you were more open minded than Lil Chappie....
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So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination."
Yes, that is the image that he wanted projected.... However, he probably was awakening to the fact that someone had actually shot JFK when he went outside. And during the ride to the rooming house, the cab driver told him that JFK had been shot .
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
No ...That's not correct....Lee didn't know that he was being made a scapegoat.... He was playing the role in a stage play....He had no idea that the conspirators were plotting to kil JFK under the cover of his staged attempt to shoot JFK.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
already answered.... He didn't know that he was being set up ....He trusted his handler who knew that Lee was playing the role in a stage play.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Not even his handler knew that Lee had rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley..... That was first learned during the interrogation at 3:15 pm
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Yes, perhaps if the authorities were clairvoyant ....and could draw information out of thin air.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.
SO what??.... They Hadn't discovered the stage area with the throw down spent shells but even if they had how would they connect that stage prop to Lee Oswald??
Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.
When You have made up your mind that Lee was the killer....Anything is possible...... If you don't believe that just read Chapman's posts. I thought that you were more open minded than Lil Chappie....
Read the post Walt,
I never said I thought Oswald was the killer.
How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?
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Read the post Walt,
I never said I thought Oswald was the killer.
How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?
How soon after learning JFK had been assassinated do you think Oswald figured out he was a "patsy"?
That's a tough question Dan....
You may recall that Marina had told Lee that he was a damned fool ( not her exact words, but words to that effect ) when he told her that he had shot at General Walker and missed...... She apprised him of the possibility that someone could have taken advantage of the opportunity and actually have shot Walker while he was firing a bullet through the window.
IOW....Lee should have known that he was playing with dynamite....and I think he recognized that, because he certainly took careful notice of Jarman and Norman passing by the lunchroom at the time when JFK's motor cade was passing by the TSBD. Thus establishing the solid alibi that he was in the 1st floor lunchroom at the time the president passed by the TSBD.
When did Lee realize that he was the scapegoat.....Well I know he knew that JFK had been murdered before he blew up at FBI agent Hosty. He had tried to warn Hosty by leaving him a note that told Hosty to come to talk to him. I believe hat he realized hat he'd been made the patsy during the questioning...... That's when he demanded a Lawyer.....
He'd had to have been as stupid as Chapman if he didn't see that he was being made the patsy during the questioning by fritz.
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I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?
Why would a cab driver want to get involved?..... BUT....How d you know that the driver of the CITY cab that transported Lee to the rooming house didn't notify the police?..... And they told him that he was mistaken about the identity of his passenger because William Whaley was the cabbie who transported Lee Oswald to Oakclif. And he'd be wise to just forget about the trip that he had made.
I'm sure that you will scoff at this, but I'd remind you that many witnesses who offered information to the authorities were told to keep their mouth shut and just forget about what they had seen.
Why would the DPD care which cab driver gave Oswald a ride? Good grief.
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So, you agree Oswald was a fugitive on the run when he left the TSBD after the assassination."
Yes, that is the image that he wanted projected.... However, he probably was awakening to the fact that someone had actually shot JFK when he went outside. And during the ride to the rooming house, the cab driver told him that JFK had been shot .
You also agree that Oswald was being set-up and that he is aware of being set-up.
No ...That's not correct....Lee didn't know that he was being made a scapegoat.... He was playing the role in a stage play....He had no idea that the conspirators were plotting to kil JFK under the cover of his staged attempt to shoot JFK.
Why shouldn't Oswald expect someone waiting for him if he was being set-up.
already answered.... He didn't know that he was being set up ....He trusted his handler who knew that Lee was playing the role in a stage play.
It's not a question of how quickly the authorities responded. It's a set-up, which means there could be people sat outside Oswald's place before the assassination.
Not even his handler knew that Lee had rented a room at 1026 N. Beckley..... That was first learned during the interrogation at 3:15 pm
Also, twenty minutes is plenty of time for the authorities to find out where he lives.
Yes, perhaps if the authorities were clairvoyant ....and could draw information out of thin air.
Oswald doesn't know the SN hasn't been found. He doesn't know how quickly his absence has been noticed.
SO what??.... They Hadn't discovered the stage area with the throw down spent shells but even if they had how would they connect that stage prop to Lee Oswald??
Oswald is on the run. He wants to check out whether there's anyone outside waiting for him and he doesn't want the cab driver to know where he lives. Better yet, let the driver give police a misleading impression of where he lives.
When You have made up your mind that Lee was the killer....Anything is possible...... If you don't believe that just read Chapman's posts. I thought that you were more open minded than Lil Chappie....
more open minded than Lil Chappie
Stop whining: You simply cannot get around me and you know it
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BTW
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1) Oakcliff
2) Oakclif
> How many ways can you spell Oak Cliff, Pops?
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Why would the DPD care which cab driver gave Oswald a ride? Good grief.
Psssst.....They already had an illiterate liar that they could manipulate and get him to say what they wanted him to say, so they sure as hell didn't want a more honest man who they couldn't control messing up the tale.
It seems to me that the group of WC investigators who investigated Lee's sojourn between the TSBD and the theater knew that Whaley had invented the tale ( they would have been stupid and totally incompetent if they didn't know that Whaley's tale was all BS) However, a bird in the hand is worth more than a dozen in the brush and they had to go with what the FBI gave them.
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Then whose cab DID Oswald get into on 11/22/63, Walt?
We know that LHO took a cab to Beckley on 11/22. Even Oswald himself admitted to doing this. So whose cab was it---if not Whaley's?
Did any other cab driver in Dallas ever come forth and say it was HE (and not Whaley) who drove LHO to Oak Cliff?
Answer to the above is, of course----No.
I'd certainly have expected such a cab driver to make himself known after the assassination. Wouldn't you agree?
(Awaiting Walt's next insane theory....)
We know that LHO took a cab to Beckley on 11/22. Even Oswald himself admitted to doing this. So whose cab was it---if not Whaley's?
Yes, You're right Lee did tell Captain Fritz that he got off the bus that was stuck in traffic and walked to the Greyhound taxi stand and hired a taxi to take him to the rooming house. He told the listeners that he paid the taxi driver 85 cents for the ride.
Whaley is on record under oath, telling the interrogators that the fare was 95 cents and his passenger gave him a dollar
P.S. The WC investigators determined that Lee was still at the TSBD at 12:33 ( the time that Whaley said the man who was wearing BLUE CLOTHING , climbed into his taxi) They also found that Lee got off the bus which was stuck in traffic at about 12:44 pm, and then walked to the Greyhound taxi stand and hired a CITY cab at 12:48 pm. He arrived at the rooming house at 1:00pm.
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Midgets can simply be stepped over.
Midget?.... I thought he was a little kid, with the reasoning ability of a 6 year old....
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(it wasn't five blocks beyond, because Oswald was dropped off at the corner of Beckley & Neely, which is the 700 block of Beckley)
Both Whaley's trip log and his original affidavit say that he took his passenger to the 500 block.
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Midget?.... I thought he was a little kid, with the reasoning ability of a 6 year old....
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Point proven
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Point proven