Streets of Philadelphia

[Richard Smith]

The act she is under arrest for is praying in public.  That is simply a fact even if the charge is a violation of an ordinance.

She is charged with violating a lawful order four times and will go to court for that. But that doesn't stop our resident fool (who has never been in Europe and is clueless about the English legal system) to disagree and make up a bogus story about her being arrested for praying.

It's not only hilarious but also a perfect demonstration of a total lack of any sense of reality, which he also displays frequently in the Kennedy case. Ignoring the actual evidence, misrepresenting facts and making up stories he can't support with any evidence is Richard's trademark! (*)

The bottom line is here that a bogus story of an innocent bystander arrested for praying makes for a far more dramatics (in Richard's mind) than the story of a religious nutjob who is known for intimidation of women visiting abortion centers and who gets arrested for several violations of a lawful city ordinance.

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(*) Richard once claimed that the evidence for Oswald coming down the TSBD stairs unnoticed after the shots was that it happened! Says it all, really...

This is real simple.  Pay attention.  The law she violated is intended to protect public spaces from objectionable conduct.  So that the public can make use of them. For example, not cleaning up after your dog in a park.  It is not unlawful for the public to be in these places.  In fact, the law is intended to promote the usage of public areas.   This woman was arrested on a public sidewalk.  Her presence on a public sidewalk is not a crime.  Every citizen can lawfully be present in a public area.  She has to be committing some objectionable act in that area in the opinion of the authorities. 

In this instance, she was asked "Are you praying?" by the policeman to determine whether her presence there was to protest the nearby abortion clinic.  It was her acknowledgement that she was praying that led to her arrest in this instance.  The act of praying or expression of religious liberties is deemed objectionable by the authorities when it comes to abortion.  No dissent is allowed.  That was her crime.  To pray in contradiction of the authoritarian's desire to suppress any dissent to abortion was her crime.  She committed no other act other than to pray.  As a result, it is proper and correct to deem her arrest to be for praying.  The fact that Martin characterizes a person arrested for standing peacefully and praying to be a "religious nutjob" is the real reason behind her arrest.  An anti-religious bigotry.  Shameful. 

[Martin Weidmann]

This is real simple.  Pay attention.  The law she violated is intended to protect public spaces from objectionable conduct.  So that the public can make use of them. For example, not cleaning up after your dog in a park.  It is not unlawful for the public to be in these places.  In fact, the law is intended to promote the usage of public areas.   This woman was arrested on a public sidewalk.  Her presence on a public sidewalk is not a crime.  Every citizen can lawfully be present in a public area.  She has to be committing some objectionable act in that area in the opinion of the authorities. 

In this instance, she was asked "Are you praying?" by the policeman to determine whether her presence there was to protest the nearby abortion clinic.  It was her acknowledgement that she was praying that led to her arrest in this instance.  The act of praying or expression of religious liberties is deemed objectionable by the authorities when it comes to abortion.  No dissent is allowed.  That was her crime.  To pray in contradiction of the authoritarian's desire to suppress any dissent to abortion was her crime.  She committed no other act other than to pray.  As a result, it is proper and correct to deem her arrest to be for praying.  The fact that Martin characterizes a person arrested for standing peacefully and praying to be a "religious nutjob" is the real reason behind her arrest.  An anti-religious bigotry.  Shameful.

As I said earlier; a perfect demonstration of a total lack of any sense of reality!

The law she violated is intended to protect public spaces from objectionable conduct.

Indeed, and she apparently violated that law four times.

This woman was arrested on a public sidewalk. 

Yes, so what? Are there specific places now where you can arrest somebody for violating the law four times?

She has to be committing some objectionable act in that area in the opinion of the authorities. 

Really? So if a guy robs a bank on Monday and on Tuesday he is just standing on the sidewalk doing nothing wrong, police can't arrest him? Is that your "logic"?

[Richard Smith]

As I said earlier; a perfect demonstration of a total lack of any sense of reality!

The law she violated is intended to protect public spaces from objectionable conduct.

Indeed, and she apparently violated that law four times.

This woman was arrested on a public sidewalk. 

Yes, so what? Are there specific places now where you can arrest somebody for violating the law four times?

She has to be committing some objectionable act in that area in the opinion of the authorities. 

Really? So if a guy robs a bank on Monday and on Tuesday he is just standing on the sidewalk doing nothing wrong, police can't arrest him? Is that your "logic"?

Her prior "violations" were for the same lawful conduct.  Praying.  She did not "rob a bank."  LOL.  Her only act was to pray. Multiple wrongs on behalf of the authorities do not make a right.  You must really hate religious people.  Particularly when they dissent from authoritarian leftist causes.

[Martin Weidmann]

Her prior "violations" were for the same lawful conduct.  Praying.  She did not "rob a bank."  LOL.  Her only act was to pray. Multiple wrongs on behalf of the authorities do not make a right.  You must really hate religious people.  Particularly when they dissent from authoritarian leftist causes.

Her prior "violations" were for the same lawful conduct.

Nope... her prior violations were for intimidation of women visiting the abortion center.

You really need to do some research before you (once again) expose your ignorance!

You must really hate religious people.

Not really, but I don't like fanatical zealots who try to impose their opinion on other people.

Particularly when they dissent from authoritarian leftist causes.

Like what? Be precise....

[Richard Smith]

Her prior "violations" were for the same lawful conduct.

Nope... her prior violations were for intimidation of women visiting the abortion center.

You really need to do some research before you (once again) expose your ignorance!

You must really hate religious people.

Not really, but I don't like fanatical zealots who try to impose their opinion on other people.

Particularly when they dissent from authoritarian leftist causes.

Like what? Be precise....

Isn't it late in "Europe"?  LOL.  Her acts of intimidation were praying.  Like yourself, some people find that objectionable and worthy of arrest.  The leftist cause here is not a mystery.  The authorities have imposed a censorship zone around an abortion clinic.  They use that as a pretext to arrest dissenters.  No praying allowed there.

[Martin Weidmann]

Isn't it late in "Europe"?  LOL.  Her acts of intimidation were praying.  Like yourself, some people find that objectionable and worthy of arrest.  The leftist cause here is not a mystery.  The authorities have imposed a censorship zone around an abortion clinic.  They use that as a pretext to arrest dissenters.  No praying allowed there.

Isn't it late in "Europe"?

Not really, no

Her acts of intimidation were praying.

No, there were not, but since you keep repeating it; prove it. Show us the charges filed against her.

Like yourself, some people find that objectionable and worthy of arrest.

Wrong again. If it was only praying it would not be worthy of arrest.

The leftist cause here is not a mystery.  The authorities have imposed a censorship zone around an abortion clinic.

And there we have it. Unlike in the US, in England abortion is legal and women who visit a clinic should be able to do so without being accosted by fanatic religious zealots.

What makes you think that whatever you believe is more important than a woman's right to decide about her own body and life?

Let me ask you a question; is there anything that you don't hate?

[Richard Smith]

Isn't it late in "Europe"?

Not really, no

Her acts of intimidation were praying.

No, there were not, but since you keep repeating it; prove it. Show us the charges filed against her.

Like yourself, some people find that objectionable and worthy of arrest.

Wrong again. If it was only praying it would not be worthy of arrest.

The leftist cause here is not a mystery.  The authorities have imposed a censorship zone around an abortion clinic.

And there we have it. Unlike in the US, in England abortion is legal and women who visit a clinic should be able to do so without being accosted by fanatic religious zealots.

What makes you think that whatever you believe is more important than a woman's right to decide about her own body and life?

Let me ask you a question; is there anything that you don't hate?

A woman arrested for silently praying is a "religious zealot", "religious nutjob" and "religious fanatic" according to Martin.  See any theme?  But without missing a beat, he tells us this has nothing to do with religion.  HA HA HA.  Unreal.   No one said anything about the subject of abortion.  The obvious point is that leftist have created this "zone" around an abortion clinic as a pretext for arresting peaceful dissenters because abortion is a sacred leftist cause.  It is a way for the authoritarians to suppress free speech and religious liberties via a zoning regulation.  Then argue, as you have stupidly done, that this all has nothing to do with religious liberties.  Whether abortion is good, bad or indifferent is not the issue.  This woman was singled out for prosecution because she dared to dissent against abortion.  Not because she committed any crime.