The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #264 on: June 25, 2025, 05:00:37 PM »
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     This alleged "lapel flip" could be tied to Dan Rather's description of the Zapruder Film that he viewed only days after 11/22/63. One of the inconsistent things that Rather described during his Nationally Broadcast Description of the Zapruder Film was seeing BLOOD on the White Shirt of Gov Connally. This "Lapel Flip" could be hiding the Blood that Rather described but is Not visible on the Current Zapruder Film. Blood on Connally's white shirt possibly revealing a shot from in front/side of the JFK Limo.
We can also tell that there is nothing pushing outward on the clothing because the shirt and tie does not budge.  If the jacket lapel had flipped due to the exit of blood and bullet the shirt would necessarily have moved as well.  If it had, the tie would have moved.

It looks to me like the right arm/hand/hat moving across the front of his body as he prepares to turn around to try to see JFK causes the jacket to move.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #265 on: June 25, 2025, 05:47:05 PM »
You're barking up the wrong tree Tom, Mason is a dyed in the wool LNer, and IIRC his only deviation from the official story is that he believes that Oswald took three shots and hit his target twice and the missed shot hit Connally.
The evidence leaves no room for doubt that Oswald fired all three shots.  And it is highly improbable on the evidence we have that anyone else was involved.

The "official" story from the WC regarding the shots was not entirely clear.  While the WC left open whether a shot missed and, if so, which shot missed, initially most observers who agreed with the SBT thought that the second shot had missed.  This was based on the evidence that JFK reacted to the first shot as well as the spacing of the shots recalled most ear-witnesses. 

So, you would be correct if, in referring to my "deviation" from the official story, you meant that the shot which the WC thought likely missed was the second shot, did not miss but struck Connally directly in the right armpit.  But I also deviate in the WC conclusion that JBC was hit by only one bullet.  In my review of the evidence, the second shot struck exited and struck the right radius and fragmented (a fragment striking the windshield frame and another going over it and striking the curb near James Tague). In my deviant deviation from the official story, I suggest that the first shot, which passed through JFK, struck JBC in the left thigh.

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The following extract is from the Warren Commission Report.

"Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds. However, Governor Connally's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository."
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1
As a background to this, Bugliosi, in his chapter on the SBT wrote:
  • "The Commission staff 's hypothesis didn't exactly receive a warm welcome from all of
    the Warren Commission members. At the Commission's last meeting on September 18,
    1964, and with its report scheduled to reach President Johnson's desk in just six days, the
    majority of Chief Justice Earl Warren, Representative Gerald Ford, Allen Dulles, and
    John McCloy sided with the staff 's single-bullet theory, but Representative Hale Boggs
    and Senators Richard Russell and John Cooper thought it improbable. Boggs told author
    Edward Jay Epstein that he had "strong doubts" about the theory and felt the question
    was never resolved. Cooper claimed that "there was no evidence to show both men were
    hit by the same bullet." Russell was the most adamant and wanted his opposition to the
    single-bullet theory to be acknowledged in a footnote at the bottom of the page in the
    Commission's report."

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #266 on: June 25, 2025, 07:01:37 PM »

  Dan Rather described seeing BLOOD on Gov Connally's white shirt on the Zapruder Film. And he reported this multiple times only days after 11/22/63

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #267 on: June 25, 2025, 07:07:54 PM »
Dan Rather described seeing BLOOD on Gov Connally's white shirt on the Zapruder Film. And he reported this multiple times only days after 11/22/63

Was that before Zapruder's 17-second pause, or after it?

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #268 on: June 25, 2025, 08:50:45 PM »

  Why not familiarize yourself with the Dan Rather Report of what he saw on that Zapruder Film? At the time, the public knew nothing about the Zapruder Film. There are even more revelations in the Zapruder Film that Rather viewed/described.

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« Reply #269 on: June 25, 2025, 09:23:23 PM »
Dan Rather described seeing BLOOD on Gov Connally's white shirt on the Zapruder Film. And he reported this multiple times only days after 11/22/63

Dan Rather, the guy who falsely asserted on national TV that the Killian Documents, pertaining to George W. Bush's National Guard service, had been authenticated by experts retained by CBS?

Dan Rather, the guy who, after viewing the Zapruder film, said that the fatal head shot drove Kennedy violently forward? (It did, but only about 2.25 inches which Rather wouldn't have been able to discern unless the film had been enlarged and slowed way down).

Dan Rather's claiming to have seen the limo make the turn onto Elm Street in the Zapruder film and blood on JBC's shirt in same probably weren't the first journalistic mistakes he'd ever made, and they certainly weren't the last.
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #270 on: June 25, 2025, 09:41:19 PM »

  Dan Rather was the CBS Prime Time News Anchor. He was the CBS version of Walter Cronkite. Do you realize that you are lambasting the Fake News Media at its' highest level? Welcome aboard.

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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #271 on: June 25, 2025, 09:46:20 PM »
Dan Rather was the CBS Prime Time News Anchor. He was the CBS version of Walter Cronkite. Do you realize that you are lambasting the Fake News Media at its' highest level? Welcome aboard.

Everyone makes mistakes, Storing, but in your case, especially regarding the JFKA and The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) known as Donald J. Trump, they seem to be the norm.
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Re: The lapel flip -- what did i miss?
« Reply #271 on: June 25, 2025, 09:46:20 PM »