The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[John Mytton]

I ask again,

If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion created by reflected light, since when can a lapel move up and then back down in just 56 milliseconds? A piece of clothing cannot move up and down that rapidly on this planet.

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, why did Connally himself, the man who actually experienced the event, insist he was not hit before Z229 after carefully studying a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification? Why did both of Connally's surgeons agree with Connally on this point?

If a bullet tore through JFK in Z223-224, what, pray tell, caused him to start to bring his left hand up toward his throat in Z224, keeping in mind that even a reflex reaction would take at least 4 frames, and why is Jackie already staring at JFK in Z221?

Doesn't Jackie's reaction in Z221 clearly prove that JFK had already begun to visibly react to a wound before that frame?

Isn't it obvious that JFK's Z224 reaction is a continuation of the reaction that he starts at around Z200, when his right hand freezes in mid-wave and he suddenly starts to turn his head to the left?

You see, one huge problem for WC apologists is that you are chained down by the single-bullet theory and the three-shot scenario. To anyone with two functioning eyes, it is obvious that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets, as the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis confirmed. It is equally obvious that JFK began to react to a wound long before Z223. But you can't accept these obvious facts because they would mean admitting that at least four shots were fired.

Hahahaha! Reflected light which is black and at the same time obscures Connally's white shirt? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant, that's some far out "optical illusion", Dude!



Kennedy is clearly lifting his elbows as soon as he is struck and emerging from behind the sign.



BTW, for someone who believes that the Zapruder film is heavily altered, you sure like to use the same film down to individual frames to establish your warped worldview, pathetic!

JohnM

[Andrew Mason]

How many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

What part of: “ But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter.” makes you think I am suggesting there was more than one bad guy?

Sometimes it helps to read the whole post.

[Tom Graves]

What part of: “But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter” makes you think I am suggesting there was more than one bad guy?

If you think there was only one bad guy and it was someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald, do you think he intentionally framed Oswald for the assassination, or do you think that there was just a bunch of coincidences that worked against the poor little Marxist / former Marine sharpshooter?   

Regardless, did the solitary bad guy ask Oswald to bring his neato short-rifle and some ammo to work that day, and then ask him that morning if he could borrow it during lunchtime to play with?

[John Mytton]

If you think there was only one bad guy and it was someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald, do you think he intentionally framed Oswald for the assassination, or do you think that there was just a bunch of coincidences that worked against the poor little Marxist / former Marine sharpshooter?   

Regardless, did the solitary bad guy ask Oswald to bring his neato short-rifle and some ammo to work that day, and then ask him that morning if he could borrow it during lunchtime to play with?

You're barking up the wrong tree Tom, Mason is a dyed in the wool LNer, and IIRC his only deviation from the official story is that he believes that Oswald took three shots and hit his target twice and the missed shot hit Connally.

The following extract is from the Warren Commission Report.

"Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds. However, Governor Connally's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository."
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

Hahahaha! Reflected light which is black and at the same time obscures Connally's white shirt? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant, that's some far out "optical illusion", Dude!



Kennedy is clearly lifting his elbows as soon as he is struck and emerging from behind the sign.



BTW, for someone who believes that the Zapruder film is heavily altered, you sure like to use the same film down to individual frames to establish your warped worldview, pathetic!

JohnM

     This alleged "lapel flip" could be tied to Dan Rather's description of the Zapruder Film that he viewed only days after 11/22/63. One of the inconsistent things that Rather described during his Nationally Broadcast Description of the Zapruder Film was seeing BLOOD on the White Shirt of Gov Connally. This "Lapel Flip" could be hiding the Blood that Rather described but is Not visible on the Current Zapruder Film. Blood on Connally's white shirt possibly revealing a shot from in front/side of the JFK Limo.

[Andrew Mason]

     This alleged "lapel flip" could be tied to Dan Rather's description of the Zapruder Film that he viewed only days after 11/22/63. One of the inconsistent things that Rather described during his Nationally Broadcast Description of the Zapruder Film was seeing BLOOD on the White Shirt of Gov Connally. This "Lapel Flip" could be hiding the Blood that Rather described but is Not visible on the Current Zapruder Film. Blood on Connally's white shirt possibly revealing a shot from in front/side of the JFK Limo.

We can also tell that there is nothing pushing outward on the clothing because the shirt and tie does not budge.  If the jacket lapel had flipped due to the exit of blood and bullet the shirt would necessarily have moved as well.  If it had, the tie would have moved.

It looks to me like the right arm/hand/hat moving across the front of his body as he prepares to turn around to try to see JFK causes the jacket to move.

[Andrew Mason]

You're barking up the wrong tree Tom, Mason is a dyed in the wool LNer, and IIRC his only deviation from the official story is that he believes that Oswald took three shots and hit his target twice and the missed shot hit Connally.

The evidence leaves no room for doubt that Oswald fired all three shots.  And it is highly improbable on the evidence we have that anyone else was involved.

The "official" story from the WC regarding the shots was not entirely clear.  While the WC left open whether a shot missed and, if so, which shot missed, initially most observers who agreed with the SBT thought that the second shot had missed.  This was based on the evidence that JFK reacted to the first shot as well as the spacing of the shots recalled most ear-witnesses. 

So, you would be correct if, in referring to my "deviation" from the official story, you meant that the shot which the WC thought likely missed was the second shot, did not miss but struck Connally directly in the right armpit.  But I also deviate in the WC conclusion that JBC was hit by only one bullet.  In my review of the evidence, the second shot struck exited and struck the right radius and fragmented (a fragment striking the windshield frame and another going over it and striking the curb near James Tague). In my deviant deviation from the official story, I suggest that the first shot, which passed through JFK, struck JBC in the left thigh.

The following extract is from the Warren Commission Report.

"Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds. However, Governor Connally's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository."
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1

As a background to this, Bugliosi, in his chapter on the SBT wrote:

• "The Commission staff 's hypothesis didn't exactly receive a warm welcome from all of
  the Warren Commission members. At the Commission's last meeting on September 18,
  1964, and with its report scheduled to reach President Johnson's desk in just six days, the
  majority of Chief Justice Earl Warren, Representative Gerald Ford, Allen Dulles, and
  John McCloy sided with the staff 's single-bullet theory, but Representative Hale Boggs
  and Senators Richard Russell and John Cooper thought it improbable. Boggs told author
  Edward Jay Epstein that he had "strong doubts" about the theory and felt the question
  was never resolved. Cooper claimed that "there was no evidence to show both men were
  hit by the same bullet." Russell was the most adamant and wanted his opposition to the
  single-bullet theory to be acknowledged in a footnote at the bottom of the page in the
  Commission's report."