The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Frank Beard]

Connally was hit in the back between Z-222 and Z-224.

In 225 he appears to be smiling.

[Royell Storing]

Dear Royell "Whaddabout Dis and Waddabout Dat?" Storing,

What about Secret Service Agent George Hickey's leaning over to look at the pavement starting around frame 150 in the Zapruder film?

-- Tom

PS I could go on and on.

      There's a difference between Wiegman claiming a bullet whizzed by his face at close to ground level, and someone possibly, "leaning over to look at the pavement". Wiegman also said when he ran Up the knoll he saw SA Lem Johns up there. SA Johns claimed that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and ran down Elm St toward the JFK Limo when the Kill Shot was fired. SA Johns said he was then stranded on Elm St and never left the street. There are No Images of SA Lem Johns physically being on Elm St at any point in time. Also, NO eyewitnesses saw SA Johns running down Elm St or on Elm St that day. For Wiegman to see Johns UP on the knoll, would put Johns within a stones throw of the "bushes" and the Huge Gates. Think about it.   

[Tom Graves]

In 225 he appears to be smiling.

I suppose some people appear to do something incongruous (like smile at the Stemmons Freeway sign or some-such thing) 1/18 of a second after they've been hit in the back by a 160-grain bullet that's travelling about 1700 feet-per-second.

[Tom Graves]

There's a difference between Wiegman claiming a bullet whizzed by his face at close to ground level, and someone possibly, "leaning over to look at the pavement". Wiegman also said when he ran Up the knoll he saw SA Lem Johns up there. SA Johns claimed that he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and ran down Elm St toward the JFK Limo when the Kill Shot was fired. SA Johns said he was then stranded on Elm St and never left the street. There are No Images of SA Lem Johns physically being on Elm St at any point in time. Also, NO eyewitnesses saw SA Johns running down Elm St or on Elm St that day. For Wiegman to see Johns UP on the knoll, would put Johns within a stones throw of the "bushes" and the Huge Gates. Think about it.

Storing,

What do you mean "possibly"?

What do you think Hickey's doing in Z-150?

Leaning over to vomit because he had too much to drink earlier that morning at The Cellar?

[Royell Storing]

Storing,

What do you mean "possibly"?

What do you think Hickey's doing in Z-150?

Leaning over to vomit because he had too much to drink earlier that morning at The Cellar?

   I do Not know what Hickey might be doing. I am curious why SA Hickey is sitting so much higher than everyone else inside the Queen Mary. He has to be sitting on top of something. Maybe something connected to that AR15 on the floorboard?

[Tom Graves]

I do Not know what Hickey might be doing. I am curious why SA Hickey is sitting so much higher than everyone else inside the Queen Mary. He has to be sitting on top of something. Maybe something connected to that AR15 on the floorboard?

Maybe he was leaning over to make sure the tires were properly inflated.

[Andrew Mason]

That’s pretty much what I think. Although the precise timing of the first and second shots are debatable.
(I do wonder whether Connally hasn’t turned around too much by 270 to be hit in the back).

That was the opinion given by FBI ballistics expert Robert Frazier (5 H 170):


WC counsel David Belin in his book :Final Disclosure: The Full Truth About the Assassination of President Kennedy" credits Frazier as persuading him that Connally was not hit in the back after z240, initially thinking that this meant there must have been two shooters.  He credits Arlen Specter of then coming up with his ingenious SBT to get around that problem.

The problem, as I see it, is that Frazier is not an expert in gunshot wounds and human anatomy or how clothing moves relative to the body when the body contorts. 

The bullet entered 3/4 of an inch from the right arm/back seam and 5 inches below the shoulder seam, which means it entered under the shoulder (ie the armpit).  Frazier measured that to be a 20° angle, presumably in a normal position with the shoulders and hips are facing forward.  He does not give the angle from the SN to the direction of the car at the various points.  At z271 I have the angle from the SN relative to the car direction as 3.5 degrees:


Frazier appears to have assumed that the position of the clothing relative to the underlying body does not change when the upper body turns to the rear as seen with JBC after z235 or so. Furthermore, Frazier does not seem to have made any allowance for the fact that with JBC's shoulders turned 60-70 degrees to his hips means the parts lower down on the chest turn progressively less.

Perhaps the most significant assumption Frazier made was "there was no deflection between the window and the point of exit from the Governor’s body" (5 H 170). Frazier assumed that the bullet did not change direction in striking the fifth rib despite imparting significant impact sensation that JBC described as a forceful punch to the back. As a ballistics expert, I would have thought that the impact as JBC described could indicate a change in direction of the bullet or a slowing down, or both.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

   If SA Hickey fired the AR15, then the Agents around him knew it. That's a "conspiracy". The Fake News Media has redefined "conspiracy". You have fallen for their re-branding scheme. It's what they do.

A plot (conspiracy) is not the same as a cover up.
The Hickey shots were not intentional (intentional would be conspiracy).