The lapel flip -- what did i miss?

[Royell Storing]

  If you believe there were 2 or 3 shooters using different weapons, who is to say these alleged "echoes" were actually the sound of other weapon(s) being fired from a close by position inside Dealey Plaza? "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" had an informant on that presentation claiming 3 shooters. 1 shooter in front of the JFK Limo and 2 behind it. 1 of the 2 shooters behind the Limo being "ALMOST on the horizontal". So, maybe you have a shooter on the TSBD 6th Floor and another shooter close by, "ALMOST on the horizontal"? These 2 shooters/2 shots being fired by different weapons at almost the same time could be mistaken as an "echo". Just because people believe they are hearing an echo, does Not make this a Fact. How many ear witnesses initially thought the 1st shot or 2 were firecrackers? And this includes law enforcement also making this "fire cracker" mistake.   

[Tom Graves]

If you believe there were 2 or 3 shooters using different weapons, who is to say these alleged "echoes" were actually the sound of other weapon(s) being fired from a close by position inside Dealey Plaza? "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" had an informant on that presentation claiming 3 shooters. 1 shooter in front of the JFK Limo and 2 behind it. 1 of the 2 shooters behind the Limo being "ALMOST on the horizontal". So, maybe you have a shooter on the TSBD 6th Floor and another shooter close by, "ALMOST on the horizontal"? These 2 shooters/2 shots being fired by different weapons at almost the same time could be mistaken as an "echo". Just because people believe they are hearing an echo, does Not make this a Fact. How many ear witnesses initially thought the 1st shot or even the 2nd shot were firecrackers? And this includes law enforcement also making this "fire cracker" mistake.

Storing,

Why in the world would any rational person believe there were two or three shooters?

If you do, then how many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?

If you do, then it means that for some reason you WANT to believe it was a conspiracy.

The unusual deformation of Carcano-marked-up CE-399, in conjunction with the wounds that JFK and JBC suffered at some point between Z-222 and Z-224, in-and-of-itself virtually proves that the former Marine sharpshooter known as Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK all by him widdle Marxist self.

The reason the first (missing everything) shot sounded different was because it was at hypothetical "Z-124." ("Hypothetical" meaning it wasn't caught on-film. The reason it wasn't caught on film was because it occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 after about a 17-second pause.) It was a steeply-downward-angled shot which required Oswald's standing and awkwardly leaning forward while taking it. The muzzle of his short rifle was, therefore, inside the building when he fired it, ergo, it created a different sound than his next two, fired-while-kneeling-down, muzzle-outside-the-building shots.

[Royell Storing]

  There is ZERO Evidence of a shot being fired almost downward through a 1/4 open window. And then we have the repositioning of the JFK Limo on Elm St.  And then comes the SBT. ALL Hokum.

[Tom Graves]

There is ZERO Evidence of a shot being fired almost downward through a 1/4 open window. And then we have the repositioning of the JFK Limo on Elm St.  And then comes the SBT. ALL Hokum.

Storing,

1) "The repositioning of the JFK Limo on Elm St."?

You must still be obsessing on Max Holland, who, in "The Lost Bullet," posited a shot at hypothetical "Z-107" -- a second earlier than it actually occurred.


2) "The 1/4-open window"?

It looks to be 1/3-open in the Robert Hughes film.


3) "The SBT"?

How do you explain the unusual deformation of fired-by-the-Carcano CE-399, the elliptical bullet wound in JBC's back, the damage that JBC's radial bone sustained, and the shallow penetration of JBC's thigh?

Hint for the last two: CE-399, having passed through JFK's neck and JBC's chest (pulverizing JBC's 5th rib in the process), had slowed dramatically by the time it penetrated JBC's wrist, and slowed even more before it penetrated his thigh so shallowly that it fell out of said wound while he was being transported on a gurney.

[Andrew Mason]

Storing,

Why in the world would any rational person believe there were two or three shooters?

If you do, then how many bad guys do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?

If you do, then it means that for some reason you WANT to believe it was a conspiracy.

The unusual deformation of Carcano-marked-up CE-399, in conjunction with the wounds that JFK and JBC suffered at some point between Z-222 and Z-224, in-and-of-itself virtually proves that the former Marine sharpshooter known as Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK all by him widdle Marxist self.

The reason the first (missing everything) shot sounded different was because it was at hypothetical "Z-124." ("Hypothetical" meaning it wasn't caught on-film. The reason it wasn't caught on film was because it occurred half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 after about a 17-second pause.) It was a steeply-downward-angled shot which required Oswald's standing and awkwardly leaning forward while taking it. The muzzle of his short rifle was, therefore, inside the building when he fired it, ergo, it created a different sound than his next two, fired-while-kneeling-down, muzzle-outside-the-building shots.

There is as much evidence for multiple shooters as there is for a missed, or any, shot at z124.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I ask again,

If the lapel flip is not an optical illusion created by reflected light, since when can a lapel move up and then back down in just 56 milliseconds? A piece of clothing cannot move up and down that rapidly on this planet.

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, why did Connally himself, the man who actually experienced the event, insist he was not hit before Z229 after carefully studying a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification? Why did both of Connally's surgeons agree with Connally on this point?

If a bullet tore through JFK in Z223-224, what, pray tell, caused him to start to bring his left hand up toward his throat in Z224, keeping in mind that even a reflex reaction would take at least 4 frames, and why is Jackie already staring at JFK in Z221?

Doesn't Jackie's reaction in Z221 clearly prove that JFK had already begun to visibly react to a wound before that frame?

Isn't it obvious that JFK's Z224 reaction is a continuation of the reaction that he starts at around Z200, when his right hand freezes in mid-wave and he suddenly starts to turn his head to the left?

You see, one huge problem for WC apologists is that you are chained down by the single-bullet theory and the three-shot scenario. To anyone with two functioning eyes, it is obvious that JFK and Connally were hit by separate bullets, as the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis confirmed. It is equally obvious that JFK began to react to a wound long before Z223. But you can't accept these obvious facts because they would mean admitting that at least four shots were fired.

[Tom Graves]

If a bullet tore through Connally in Z223-224, what, pray tell, slammed his right shoulder downward in Z238-245?

Why does Connally's right shoulder drop between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his hat start moving between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his tie flap out between frames 224 and 225?

Why does he quickly rotate his head to his left between frames 224 and 225?

Why are JFK's and JBC's mouths open in Z-225? Are they simultaneously saying, "Boy, that sure sounded like a cherry bomb to me!"?

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[Andrew Mason]

Why does Connally's right shoulder drop between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his hat start moving between frames 224 and 225?

Why does his tie flap out between frames 224 and 225?

Why does he quickly rotate his head to his left between frames 224 and 225?

Why are JFK's and JBC's mouths open in Z-225? Are they simultaneously saying, "Boy, that sure sounded like a cherry bomb to me!"?

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If one just goes by the zfilm, you could conclude that JBC was hit in the back at the same time that JFK received his neck wound.  (Ok, you would have to fudge the trajectory a bit because JFK's hands appear to be in front of his neck exit wound. Also a right to left path through JFK does not easily fit a strike on JBC's right side - but let's just leave that issue aside).

But if one looks at the rest of the evidence, one can see that there is not only a reasonable explanation for what JBC is doing but also several bodies of consistent, independent pieces of evidence that are inconsistent with JBC being hit in the back there and that there had been only one shot to that point.

So you cannot answer that question unless you look at all the evidence. When you do, you discover a huge amount of evidence that does not fit the SBT.  But, not surprisingly, it still fits all three shots being fired by a single shooter.