Oswald: No power lunch

[Alan Ford]

So the lunchroom encounter was invented?
One of the major arguments amongst CTers is that Oswald could not possibly have gotten down from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom in the short space of time from the last shot until the encounter with Truly and Baker, and you're suggesting the meeting was totally made up?

No---------------it was relocated

Why if they were going to make it up would they not have added an extra minute or so to the time span to make it more believable then?
By attempting to cover up one alibi all they did was practically create another one.
Doesn't make sense at all

It makes perfect sense. The phoney timeline (90 secs) was meticulously constructed to make it possible that Mr Oswald could have descended from 6 in time for the phoney encounter. That's all that was needed.

CTers who have clung to the lunchroom fiction, and all its time implications, have stupidly fallen into the 'investigating' authorities' trap. A complete waste of time and effort.

As for adding an extra minute or so, that wouldn't have been compatible with the (true) story of the officer's rush to get to the top of the building. He had been seen dashing into the building less than 30 seconds after the last shot---------------and DPD had boasted of his speed to all ears, so they couldn't walk that back. How on earth is it going to take him a further 2+ minutes to go up just one floor? Does he stop for a smoke?

Furthermore, a sighting of someone just one floor up in the building some 2+ minutes after the shooting is not a very secure way of protecting the all-important impression that he had been inside the building at the time of the shooting itself. It gives him too much time.

Furthermore #2 (and related to Furthermore #1), a ~90-sec timestamp is a lot more suggestive of an interrupted descent than a ~150-sec timestamp. Go beyond ~90 secs and folks will start wondering, 'Why didn't Oswald just go all the way down to the first floor?'.

 

[Dan O'meara]

Nice try, Mr Mytton O'Meara!

If Mr Oswald said he went outside in the erroneous hope of watching the P. Parade but didn't actually get to do so, then Agent Hosty would most certainly have written more than "Then went outside to watch P. Parade". This was, after all, the single most important issue in the entire interrogation: where did the suspect claim to have been at the time of the shooting? As it stands, the words "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" are as clear in import as, say, these ones:



As for the Agent Kelley and "in the building" points, they have already been addressed ad nauseam on this thread

 

"Mr Baxter, we know from Agent Hosty's suppressed 11/22 interrogation report that Mr Oswald actually said he bought the Coke and went outside BEFORE Pres. Kennedy passed the building."         Alan Ford

Please show the document where Oswald says he went outside BEFORE JFK passed by.

[Bill Chapman]

"Mr Baxter, we know from Agent Hosty's suppressed 11/22 interrogation report that Mr Oswald actually said he bought the Coke and went outside BEFORE Pres. Kennedy passed the building."         Alan Ford

Please show the document where Oswald says he went outside BEFORE JFK passed by.

JFK passed away before Oswald left the building

[Vincent Baxter]

So the lunchroom encounter was invented?

No---------------it was relocated

So essentially it was invented, because it never actually happened.

As for adding an extra minute or so, that wouldn't have been compatible with the (true) story of the officer's rush to get to the top of the building. He had been seen dashing into the building less than 30 seconds after the last shot---------------and DPD had boasted of his speed to all ears, so they couldn't walk that back. How on earth is it going to take him a further 2+ minutes to go up just one floor? Does he stop for a smoke?

Furthermore, a sighting of someone just one floor up in the building some 2+ minutes after the shooting is not a very secure way of protecting the all-important impression that he had been inside the building at the time of the shooting itself. It gives him too much time.

Furthermore #2 (and related to Furthermore #1), a ~90-sec timestamp is a lot more suggestive of an interrupted descent than a ~150-sec timestamp. Go beyond ~90 secs and folks will start wondering, 'Why didn't Oswald just go all the way down to the first floor?'.

 

But it was a story. It was made up.
You can't say that it's totally acceptable to lie about the most significant aspect of the story (i.e. the location of the meeting) but then go on to say they couldn't possibly lie about the time it took to get to the second floor.
They could just have said that they encountered several other employees on the way up which they had to clear and that delayed them slightly.
And why would Oswald being on the second floor after 90 seconds appear to make him more guilty? Surely the natural instinct of a guilty person would in fact be to try and exit the building as soon as possible, not stop on the 2nd floor to casually have a sip of Coke? Why, if it was all just a story, did they not say they encountered him coming down the stairwell?

I just don't get all these claims about purposely making up stories to over up a conspiracy. Whoever the mastermind behind all this was was clearly the worst story maker in history leaving so many unaccounted and unanswerable gaps in the story.

[Alan Ford]

"Mr Baxter, we know from Agent Hosty's suppressed 11/22 interrogation report that Mr Oswald actually said he bought the Coke and went outside BEFORE Pres. Kennedy passed the building."         Alan Ford

Please show the document where Oswald says he went outside BEFORE JFK passed by.

~Grin~



"He went to 2nd floor to get coca cola to eat with lunch"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he got a coca cola

"returned to 1st floor to eat lunch"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he ate lunch

"Then went outside to watch P. Parade"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he watched P. Parade

[Dan O'meara]

~Grin~



"He went to 2nd floor to get coca cola to eat with lunch"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he got a coca cola

"returned to 1st floor to eat lunch"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he ate lunch

"Then went outside to watch P. Parade"
---------------------------> Mr O'Meara: Please show where Oswald says he watched P. Parade

Show the document where Oswald says he went outside BEFORE JFK passed by.

[Alan Ford]

So the lunchroom encounter was invented?

So essentially it was invented, because it never actually happened.

Mr Baxter, please don't ask a new question and then quote my answer to an older one as though I am answering your new one.

You asked me: "you're suggesting the meeting was totally made up?". And I responded to that question with: "No---------------it was relocated". Because there was a meeting between these three, only at the front door. Therefore the meeting was not totally made up, just its location (and therefore its timing).

But it was a story. It was made up.
You can't say that it's totally acceptable to lie about the most significant aspect of the story (i.e. the location of the meeting) but then go on to say they couldn't possibly lie about the time it took to get to the second floor.

Of course they could lie about the time it took to get to the second floor. But the lie needed to be someway realistic-sounding.

They could just have said that they encountered several other employees on the way up which they had to clear and that delayed them slightly.

Why would an officer who has rushed into the building in under 30 seconds in the belief that shots have just been fired from the top of that building have cause to clear anyone on the first floor? Makes no sense

And why would Oswald being on the second floor after 90 seconds appear to make him more guilty? Surely the natural instinct of a guilty person would in fact be to try and exit the building as soon as possible, not stop on the 2nd floor to casually have a sip of Coke? Why, if it was all just a story, did they not say they encountered him coming down the stairwell?

Which stairwell (i.e. between which floors)?

I just don't get all these claims about purposely making up stories to over up a conspiracy.

I don't get your confusion, Mr Baxter. They knew Mr Oswald had been at the front entrance for the encounter and they needed to relocate the encounter to somewhere less disastrous

 

[Alan Ford]

Show the document where Oswald says he went outside BEFORE JFK passed by.

With pleasure, Mr O'Meara!