Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #406 on: September 23, 2021, 05:10:56 PM »
Yeah Walt, there is some doubt.
When Truly goes up to tell Fritz Oswald is missing he finds him near the elevator on the 6th floor which suggests the rifle has already been found. this is the best part of an hour after the assassination.
Somewhere in all the testimonies there is a detail that nails how soon Truly has decided to throw Oswald under the bus but I can't find it...yet.


We can know that Truly had started the ball rolling to frame Lee Oswald less than a half hour after he had seen Lee calmly drinking a coke in the second floor lunchroom ( and he vouched for Oswald at that time)    So what had happened in the short interval between the Lunchroom encounter and his going to the sixth floor to tell Fritz that Lee Oswald was missing??

It's a tough question....  Perhaps he got a phone call from Henry Wade ????

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #407 on: September 23, 2021, 05:32:54 PM »
Yeah Walt, there is some doubt.
When Truly goes up to tell Fritz Oswald is missing he finds him near the elevator on the 6th floor which suggests the rifle has already been found. this is the best part of an hour after the assassination.
Somewhere in all the testimonies there is a detail that nails how soon Truly has decided to throw Oswald under the bus but I can't find it...yet.

The rifle was found by Deputy Boone a Seymour Weitzman, at 1:22 where it had been carefully hidden beneath a pallet of books,   

Simply because Fritz was near the elevator does not necessarily indicate that the rifle had been found at the time that Truly lied to Fritz and told him that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only man missing.   We simply don't know WHEN Roy truly sicked the rabid dogs on Lee Oswald.....

I recall that some researcher studied this aspect very carefully and was able to determine that Truly chased down Captain Fitz and reported Lee missing immediately after Fritz's  arrival at the TSBD.....   

I'll see if I can find that researcher's name...... 
« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 05:43:33 PM by Walt Cakebread »

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #408 on: September 23, 2021, 05:36:18 PM »
Man-- you are so losing it. When the police come and get you and they take you to their place of employment and sit you down and grill you over a like open fire for a long long time...that is definitely under arrest buddy!
Oh and you said "maybe"? Admission that there was sorted chance that Oswald did not take a gun to work after all? LOL

Witnesses often are taken or go to the police station for questioning.  Dozens were questioned along with Frazier.  That's how an investigation is conducted.  Frazier went home afterward unlike someone who is arrested for a crime.  He was a material witness.  Frazier may not have liked how he was treated but he was not charged or put in a jail cell under arrest.  He was questioned.  That can lead to an arrest but the mere fact that he was brought to the police station doesn't necessarily mean he was under arrest.  Did he protest or ask not to be taken there?  He appears to have gone voluntarily which would be understandable thing to do since he was innocent of any crime expect perhaps not being very perceptive.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #409 on: September 23, 2021, 07:31:52 PM »
David ?

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2014/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-767.html

Why was Whaley quoted on the day of the assassination, talking about his passenger log being in "15 minute increments," unless he, himself, had already had to defend it as supporting his claim Oswald had been his passenger?

Whaley's WC testimony, months later...

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/whaley1.htm

"...Mr. BALL. Now, what happened after that, will you tell us in your own words what he did?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, on this which was the 14th trip when I picked up at the Greyhound I marked it 12:30 to 12:45.
Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I wrote that trip up the same time I wrote the one up from the Continental bus station to the Greyhound, I marked this 12:15 to 12:30 and started 12:30 to 12:45. And the next one starts at 1:15 to 1:30 and it goes on all day long every 15 minutes the time keeps pretty approximate.
Mr. BALL. Let's take the 12:30 trip, tell me about that, what the passenger said.
Mr. WHALEY. He said, "May I have the cab?"..."


Could Mr Ball do simple arithmetic ??

Mr. BALL. You say that can be off 15 minutes?
Mr. WHALEY. That can be off either direction.
Mr. BALL. Anything up to 15 minutes, you say?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir;

15 minutes on either side of 12:30 equals a half hour....

So Whaley could have picked up the young man who was wearing a BLUE  UNIFORM as early as 12:15 ...or as late as 12:45....

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #410 on: September 24, 2021, 12:19:07 AM »
Witnesses often are taken or go to the police station for questioning.  Dozens were questioned along with Frazier.  That's how an investigation is conducted.  Frazier went home afterward unlike someone who is arrested for a crime.  He was a material witness.  Frazier may not have liked how he was treated but he was not charged or put in a jail cell under arrest.  He was questioned.  That can lead to an arrest but the mere fact that he was brought to the police station doesn't necessarily mean he was under arrest.  Did he protest or ask not to be taken there?  He appears to have gone voluntarily which would be understandable thing to do since he was innocent of any crime expect perhaps not being very perceptive.

He was arrested at the hospital. Read the reports, Mr Smith!

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #411 on: September 24, 2021, 12:31:35 AM »
Witnesses often are taken or go to the police station for questioning.
Witnesses? Yeah they do in the old '40s and '50s movies but in reality.. interviews are most often done at businesses and homes.
Frazier's charge of accessory to murder was dismissed.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #412 on: September 24, 2021, 01:03:09 AM »
BS:

There is nothing in the article that "-refers to THE roll call that supposedly identified Mr Oswald as uniquely and suspiciously missing ~1 pm. That never happened."
You have simply made this up (as per usual)

Nope-----------you have misread the title of the article,as well as its central claim, and proceeded on the basis of that misapprehension to pick a fight with a strawman