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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #420 on: September 26, 2021, 03:26:55 AM »
The reports?  LOL.  Did he go home after being questioned or was he thrown into jail?  These rabbit holes are hilarious.  Was there a roll call - cue sinister music.  Was Frazier arrested - cue sinister music.  All the while Oswald's rifle is laying on the floor from which the shots were fired.  But we must obsess over pedantic details like this.

All the while Oswald's rifle is laying on the floor from which the shots were fired. 

There a couple of gross inaccuracies in this statement....

Oswald's rifle..... He denied that he owned a rifle.....  And it's never been proven that he did in fact OWN the rifle.

"The floor from which the shots were fired".....   This is a gross lie....   here were no shots fired from the sixth floor....

Online John Mytton

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #421 on: September 26, 2021, 03:42:14 AM »
All the while Oswald's rifle is laying on the floor from which the shots were fired. 

There a couple of gross inaccuracies in this statement....

Oswald's rifle..... He denied that he owned a rifle.....  And it's never been proven that he did in fact OWN the rifle.

"The floor from which the shots were fired".....   This is a gross lie....   here were no shots fired from the sixth floor....

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Oswald's rifle..... He denied that he owned a rifle.....  And it's never been proven that he did in fact OWN the rifle.







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"The floor from which the shots were fired".....   This is a gross lie....   here were no shots fired from the sixth floor....

Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as though it was to me.
Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Three.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not you said anything to the men then as to whether or not you heard anything from above you?
Mr. NORMAN. Only I think I remember saying that I thought I could hear the shell hulls and the ejection of the rifle. I didn't tell I think I hear anybody moving, you know.
Mr. BALL. But you thought, do you remember you told the men then that you thought you heard the ejection of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And shells on the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #422 on: September 26, 2021, 05:16:36 PM »
So! When exactly did Mr Frazier leave the Depository and Dealey Plaza?

From Mr Bonnie Ray Williams' 11/23 FBI interview report:


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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #423 on: September 26, 2021, 06:24:37 PM »






Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as though it was to me.
Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Three.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not you said anything to the men then as to whether or not you heard anything from above you?
Mr. NORMAN. Only I think I remember saying that I thought I could hear the shell hulls and the ejection of the rifle. I didn't tell I think I hear anybody moving, you know.
Mr. BALL. But you thought, do you remember you told the men then that you thought you heard the ejection of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And shells on the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.


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Mr Dear Mr M.....You have posted documents that indicate that Lee ordered a rifle from Klein's sporting goods.....

Those documents DO NOT prove that he was ordering it for himself or that it was his money that was used to purchase the MO.

And since the MO was purchased at a PO far from Lee's place of employment at a time when he was at work,  The MO had to have been purchased by someone other than Lee Oswald.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 09:07:24 PM by Walt Cakebread »

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #424 on: September 27, 2021, 12:21:59 AM »
Mr Dear Mr M.....You have posted documents that indicate that Lee ordered a rifle from Klein's sporting goods.....
Errrrk [screech of tires] No it doesn't! It shows that a one--- A Hidell presumably ordered a rifle--- the exact model which was not found in the book building.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #425 on: September 27, 2021, 12:41:31 AM »
Errrrk [screech of tires] No it doesn't! It shows that a one--- A Hidell presumably ordered a rifle--- the exact model which was not found in the book building.

Perhaps we disagree.....I believe that Lee used the name Hidell on the order blank.....And I believe that he was ordering the carcano as a throw down gun at the Walker residence....He and G. De M were cooking up a hoax that would make it appear that Lee had tried to shoot Walker...    I believe that the rifle was OWNED BY  G. De M.    You may recall that George told Lee to get his butt out there by Walker's house and retrieve the carcano that Lee had left for the police to find.

If the cops had found the rifle the hunt for Oswald would have been on, but he would have fled to Cuba, where he thought Fidel would welcome him to his island bastion because he had attempted to shoot one of Castro's arch foes, General Walker.

I have no problem with accepting that Lee ordered a carcano from Klein's..... But I'm NOT convinced that the carcano that was found in the TSBD is the same rifle that was sent to PO box ----in Dalas.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #426 on: September 27, 2021, 01:14:25 AM »
Perhaps we disagree.....I believe that Lee used the name Hidell on the order blank.....
You wrote that the documents "indicate" what they actually didn't and advanced a theory.
I advanced no theory. Just facts---Hidell on the order...different model found.
If it is so obvious that Oswald ordered the rifle...why would he use a phony name then ? [as it apparently fooled no one]
It is presumed that Oswald was some kind of a maniacal derelict. Too much of a cover-up to accept that.