Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?

[John Iacoletti]

Good grief.  If Oswald had not hidden the rifle, CTers would be here clamoring for an explanation for why he left his rifle in plain sight.  Hiding the rifle takes him a few seconds.  He has a bullet left if anyone tries to stop him on that floor before he reaches the stairs.  He hides it just before exiting the floor.  Isn't the more obvious question why Oswald's rifle was on that floor hidden or otherwise?  And the answer is because he used it to assassinate JFK.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

[John Iacoletti]

That all makes sense.  What Oswald was thinking entails speculation but we know from the Walker incident that he was meticulous in his planning.  Once Oswald learned of JFK's motorcade route he likely scouted out locations in the building that provided him with the best combination of shooting location and seclusion.  He may have had more than one location given that he could not control the movements of people within the building.  He also would have decided where to hid to the rifle in advance.  As near as possible to the desired location.  He doesn't want to be seen carrying a long package in the moments before the assassination.  So he takes the rifle to the 6th floor that morning when he arrives.  His clipboard is later found in the same vicinity as the rifle.   That tells us he probably is carrying around his clipboard in his hand in the minutes before retrieving the rifle to give him the appearance of working on the floor if he encounters anyone up there in the minutes before the assassination.  Just Old Lee going about his work if anyone see him.  The last thing he does before retrieving his rifle is to lay down the clipboard thereby providing some indication of where he hid the rifle.

Cool story, bro.   

[John Iacoletti]

Until you consider when it was found.

...and that there was ZERO evidence that would associate this particular clipboard with Oswald.

[Richard Smith]

Let's see.  Kaiser made the clipboard.  His name is on it.  He works there and knows that Oswald uses it.  But there is no evidence that it belongs to Oswald?  HA HA HA.  Unreal.  The old, tired, lazy impossible standard of proof.  But what is the alternative story to be derived from this attempt to create doubt this being Oswald's clipboard?  That Kaiser made all this up?  Why?  Is he part of the conspiracy?  And his role is to link Oswald to a clipboard that CTers argue has no probative value?  There is no doubt that Oswald worked in the building on 11.22.  There is no doubt that he was on the 6th floor during points that day.  Why create a story about the clipboard to put him on the 6th floor when we already know he was there that day?  It's idiotic and unnecessary.

[Bill Chapman]

OTOH, conspirators who wanted to frame Oswald would have left it right by the window.

And then driven him to his death

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Never mind the shadows, these two photos show the stacks where the rifle was found:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338849/?q=school%20depository

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338298/?q=school%20depository

Note orientation of pallets (What Weitzman call a 'flat'), he could not have looked under (or rather through) and seen the rifle the way they sit under the stacks:

I (Seymour Weitzman)was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun, I would say, simultaneously and I said, "There it is" and he started hollering,

I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE FLAT ( PALLET),,,Seymour Weizman....   

Can there be any doubt that Weitzman was NOT describing the Rifle as it is seen in the DPD fake in situ photo?

[Walt Cakebread]

Not a "guess" if there are in situ photographs attested to by Weitzman, Boone and Studebaker.

I think we know who's confused and who screwed up.



It's pretty hard to imagine Weitzman contorting himself to look through openings in the wooden pallets.

Weitzman later says "I was behind this section of books" which probably means he was merely squatting and looking as far as he comfortably could into the wooden pallets and the gaps between the cartons. Maybe he was to the south of the pallets and looked between the gap between Groups "B" and "C" and saw the rifle, where the Crime Lab photographs show it to be.

Why would we disregard where they put the arrow? Because it confirms the rifle location was as it was in the Crime Lab photos?

BTW, what is "looking under the flat"? I can't find any definition of "flat" that says it's a wooden pallet.

referring to the "LOOKING WEST " photo .......The south edge ( left side in photo) of the vertical support post is 13 feet from the interior side of the north wall .

Robert Studebaker and other DPD detectives measured the distance from the north wall to the place where Weitzman saw the rifle on the floor beneath the wooden pallet.  Stubaker recorded that distance as 15 ' 4"  ( 2 foot 4 inches south of that vertical post).....

The official in situ photo presented by the DPD show the rifle is NOT beneath the pallet and it is  jammed between boxes of books... and it is about 14 feet from the north wall.