Oswald, Depository To Rooming House

[Gerry Down]

Steve, there was a bus stop at Houston and Elm on the northeast corner of that intersection.  To the best of my recollection, the busses that stopped at that corner (heading west on Elm through town towards Dealey Plaza) would continue straight onto Elm and go underneath the triple underpass.

However, the route that the bus that McWatters was driving that day (the bus boarded by Oswald after the assassination) had a stop at Elm and Record (one small block east of the other busses that stopped at Elm and Houston that I described above).  Instead of continuing straight on Elm and going underneath the triple underpass like the busses I describe above, the busses that stopped at Elm and Record would then continue west on Elm for a block and turn left onto Houston and take the Houston Street viaduct over to Oak Cliff.

Some of the busses, after crossing the viaduct into Oak Cliff, would then head south on Marsalis and other busses would stay on Zang (immediately after crossing the viaduct) to Beckley.

Long story short; after work, Oswald could leave the Depository building, walk one full block east on Elm to the intersection of Elm and Record.  At that bus stop (Elm and Record) Oswald would wait for the Beckley line (as opposed to the Marsalis line) to take him to the rooming house.

I hope this helps.

Helps alot. So every morning Oswald would go to the bus stop outside his rooming house and take the reverse of this line. This bus would take Oswald north on Houston heading for the TSBD. It would then turn right onto Elm. Did the bus then drop him off at the bus stop on the northeast corner of Elm and Houston? Or perhaps most likely the bus continued on for one block to Elm and Record and left Oswald off. Oswald would then have to cross the street to the north sidewalk and then walk one block west to get to the TSBD and begin his work for the day.

Any idea which corner of the Elm and Record intersection that bus stop was that would allow Oswald to get to his rooming house? Obviously it was on the north side of the intersection but was it on the east or west side? I guess all such bus stops would be on the east side? It would seem kind of dangerous to stop a bus on the west side of an intersection - that would block other traffics view.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Steve, there was a bus stop at Houston and Elm on the northeast corner of that intersection.  To the best of my recollection, the busses that stopped at that corner (heading west on Elm through town towards Dealey Plaza) would continue straight onto Elm and go underneath the triple underpass.

However, the route that the bus that McWatters was driving that day (the bus boarded by Oswald after the assassination) had a stop at Elm and Record (one small block east of the other busses that stopped at Elm and Houston that I described above).  Instead of continuing straight on Elm and going underneath the triple underpass like the busses I describe above, the busses that stopped at Elm and Record would then continue west on Elm for a block and turn left onto Houston and take the Houston Street viaduct over to Oak Cliff.

Some of the busses, after crossing the viaduct into Oak Cliff, would then head south on Marsalis and other busses would stay on Zang (immediately after crossing the viaduct) to Beckley.

Long story short; after work, Oswald could leave the Depository building, walk one full block east on Elm to the intersection of Elm and Record.  At that bus stop (Elm and Record) Oswald would wait for the Beckley line (as opposed to the Marsalis line) to take him to the rooming house.

I hope this helps.

Bill: Great, it certainly does help.

I'm starting to have some suspicious thoughts/ideas about Oswald's post assassination behavior <g>. But I'm a lone nut WC trash person so I can't help it. It's my nature.

[Gerry Down]

Can you name a single person giving testimony to support any of these theories?

I don't see it as a theory. I'm simply going by the bus route of the Beckley line and the position of the bus stops. If Oswald was to get the Beckley line to and from work each evening from his rooming house, then it would seem Oswald would have to travel the way Bill laid out in his post and to which i expanded upon.

[Zeon Mason]

The stopwatch photo in Bills post reads 8 min 30 sec

[Zeon Mason]

At risk of harming my CT Personal bias, I’ve realized that it’s possible for Oswald to have arrived at 10th and Patton st as early as 1:06 pm

This timeline requires discarding Mrs Reid’s  2min post shots encounter with Oswald in the 2nd floor office and discounting McWatters bus ride as some OTHER man whom McWatters mistakenly thought might have been Oswald.

The transfer ticket may be rejected on grounds it was pristine , and had no fingerprints of Oswald or McWatters on it . It is suspect as planted evidence.


This leaves Pierce Allman reporter encounter with Oswald in the front lobby entrance of TSBD approx 2:15 sec post shots as plausible and allows Oswald to exit front entrance of TSBD by 2:30 sec before DPD officer Barnett arrived to lock the front door about 3 min post shots ( by Barnett’s estimate)

Note: Allman was able to enter TSBD before the front door was locked by Barnett, hence the 2:15 sec estimate allows a brief encounter with Oswald and Oswald still having time to exit front door preceding Barnett’s arrival at 3 min post shots.

Therefore the adjusted scenario has Oswald plausibly being seen by BW Frazier at Elm/Houston st intersection at 2:45 sec and then Frazier able to return into TSBD just before the 3min post shot mark of Officer Barnett locking the entrance door.

The WC theory has Oswald in anxious desire to return to his boarding room ASAP. Therefore it is not implausible that perhaps Oswald chose the fastest possible way, which is go directly to find a taxi.

The alternative is some vehicle driven by unknown person, Such as  the rambler station wagon DC man driver story ( Roger Craig etc. sighting) . This must be discarded if William Walley’s ID of Oswald is valid.

What is left is for Oswald to have walked directly from.Elm/Houston st intersection to William Walleys taxi, Oswald arriving there approx by 12:39-12:40pm

This is consistent with Walleys Taxi manifest having recorded the pickup in the 12:30 to 12:45 section.

It’s entirely plausible that William Walley was able to drive his taxi a bit faster than his WC time trial and arrive 5 blocks from Oswalds boarding house in  7:30 sec. (The reasoning here is that during the WC time trial, Walley would be following the speed limit , as opposed while on his own, unscrutinized, probably driving a bit faster )

Thus, at approx 12:47:30 , Oswald departs Walleys taxi.

If Oswald the began a double time jog to his boarding room, 5 blocks away, he would arrive at the front door approx 12:50 pm.

Exiting at 12:55pm, Oswald then was able to have plausibly walked at fast pace the0.9 mile to 10th and Patton in 11 minutes, arriving there at 1:06 pm

[John Iacoletti]

[Dan O'meara]

So you agree? Great stuff....

You either agree with Roberts or you call her unreliable again. Which is it going to be?

"Actually, I consider Roberts to be one of the most unreliable witnesses in this case." - Martin Weidmann
             
Oh, the hypocrisy.
Truly unbelievable.

Roberts guess at the time means nothing:

"...it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say..."

What does this even mean?
It must have been after 1 PM because it was after JFK was shot?       
What does that mean?
She is clearly guessing and finishes off by saying "what time I wouldn't want to say"

Only the truly Tinfoil can take this seriously.