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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #231 on: December 04, 2021, 09:06:25 AM »
That explanation makes absolutely no sense, is quite bizarre, and contrary to the testimony of numerous eyewitnesses that put Oswald on the bus, in the cab, at his boardinghouse...
So wrong. The answer to your query ---
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why would their fantasy conspirators need to fake Oswald's presence on a bus that took him nowhere?
He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
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Besides her inclination to become dishonest at times, Mrs. Bledsoe had suffered a stroke ( 6 H 404 ) that apparently affected her memory much to the extent that she had to read from notes she had taken. ( ibid. pg. 407-408 )
She described Oswald getting on the bus: “He looks like a maniac”. I didn’t look at him. I didn’t even want to know I seen him and I just looked off. He looked so bad in his face and his face was so distorted.” ( ibid., pg. 409 )
If his face was so distorted, how did she recognize him ?
More importantly, her testimony indicates that not only was her memory affected by her stroke, but her ability to see and become aware was as well.
Had Oswald been behaving so erratically it is unlikely that she would have been the only one to notice it.

Who else on the bus... the driver?
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Mr. BALL. You didn’t–as I understand it, when you were at the police lineup, you told us that you didn’t–weren’t able to identify this man in the lineup as the man who got off, that you gave the transfer to.
Mr. McWATTERS. I told them to the best of my knowledge, I said the man that I picked out was the same height, about the same height, weight and description. But as far as actually saying that is the man I couldn’t–
Mr. BALL. You couldn’t do it?
Mr. McWATTERS. I wouldn’t do it and I wouldn’t do it now.
(2 H 279 )
What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #232 on: December 04, 2021, 01:38:33 PM »
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver?What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.

You sound like another Grade 8#FAIL

'He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running'
_That's stupid. It can only be 'demonstrated' by an observer in Bledsoe's situation that he was on-scene

'There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.'
_It only takes one; especially since she already knew Oswald as a former tenant, short-term or not

Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2021, 04:58:01 PM »
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver?What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.

Quite bizarre.  Again, the cab ride alone would suffice to prove that Oswald was "running" from the scene (and good of you to acknowledge Oswald was in flight).  There is no need to fake two different means to flee.  That is such a very simple and obvious point that it defies explanation that anyone could suggest that the conspirators would, as part of a planned event, fake Oswald's presence on a bus that takes him nowhere.  Necessitating that they figure out which random bus is in the area and then somehow convince or, as you appear to suggest, actually put a witness on the bus to confirm Oswald's presence.  This is so removed from reality as part of a planned event as to be astounding.  In addition, they would have to convince the other random passengers to at least not confirm Oswald never got on the bus.  Effectively incorporating a random group of bus passengers into the plot on the fly.   And on and on for no purpose. 

Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #234 on: December 04, 2021, 05:36:23 PM »
Quite bizarre.
Not bizarre if you stop believing in Oswald did it alone fairy tales. 
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Again, the cab ride alone would suffice to prove that Oswald was "running" from the scene (and good of you to acknowledge Oswald was in flight).
I did no such thing.
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There is no need to fake two different means to flee.
Now what? Oswald had to be home at 1:00 right? One cabbie was not enough witnesses and besides...the cops stormed that bus...it's on record---Why did the cops want to search that bus?
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On March 30, 1964, the FBI interviewed the teenager on the bus, Roy Milton Jones, to see if he could identify Oswald as the man on the bus. He could not.

But during that interview, Jones told the FBI that “a policeman notified the driver that the President had been shot and he told the driver no one was to leave the bus until police officers had talked to each passenger.”
He went on to say that, “he estimated there were about fifteen people on the bus at this time and two police officers boarded the bus and checked each passenger to see if they were carrying any firearms.”
And finally, that “the bus was held up by the police officers for about one hour.” ( 25 H 900 )

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   In addition, they would have to convince the other random passengers to at least not confirm Oswald never got on the bus. 
What other passengers? Only one passenger was used for an ID...the memory challenged Mary Bledsoe.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #235 on: December 04, 2021, 11:36:27 PM »
Does anyone here consider Richard smarter than the best lawyers picked for the Warren Commission?

I disagree. The WC lawyers were very capable men who know how to manipulate evidence/witnesses and spin a pre-determined story into a superficial narrative.

"Richard" isn't even smart enough to see through the most obvious manipulations. He's just defending evidence he doesn't really understand, but perhaps he does indeed think he's smarter not only than the WC lawyers but everybody else as well.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 06:56:10 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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« Reply #236 on: December 15, 2021, 05:21:38 PM »
So wrong. The answer to your query ---He was supposedly escaping. It had to be demonstrated that Oswald was running.
There was only one alleged witness on the bus...Bledsoe.
Who else on the bus... the driver? What other "numerous witnesses" did you have in [what you might call a] mind? ONE cab driver...ONE housekeeper in about the same foggy shape as Bledsoe.
You flunked again.

Mr. Freeman @ his finest. Patience of a saint, trying to educate entrenched naysayers desperately clinging to a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure.

Offline Alan J. Ford

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« Reply #237 on: December 15, 2021, 06:05:12 PM »
Mrs. Bledsoe. Well, I thought, "Well, he is gone," and forgot it.
Mr. BALL. But, before you go into that, I notice you have been reading from some notes before you.
731--222 O---vol.VI---27
Mrs. Bledsoe.
Well, because I forget what I have to say.


If the above sounds familiar to those of you reading along, no great surprise since it's the same underhanded tactics employed by yet another script-reading "witness" ---->

Mr. BELIN. Did they have any statements on there before you went down to the lineup?
Mr. WHALEY. I never saw what they had in there. It was all written out by hand. The statement I saw, I think, was this one, and that could be writing. I might not even seen this one yet. I signed my name because they said that is what I said.


The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.