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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #490 on: May 05, 2021, 02:54:15 AM »
Using the TSBD east wall for shadow study is not sensitive with this point of view – the shadow changes very little during the interval of interest. However, the lamppost casting a shadow across the body of Detective Brown is useful. But first to place him it is necessary to simulate the Allen photo and position volunteers for a reasonable match. I estimate the time of the Allen photo between 13:25 and 13:30.




Many thanks indeed for this, Mr Hackerott---------I stand corrected as to when Mr Williams & co. were put in the car!  Thumb1:

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #491 on: May 05, 2021, 02:55:25 AM »
Why 'prior to this'?

Because Hill arrived just as Mooney announced the discovery of the shells and left before Fritz arrived.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #492 on: May 05, 2021, 02:59:18 AM »
Fritz had left the building guy the time Studebaker dusted the bottle. Alyea is mistaken.

Why? Mr Alyea says he filmed two things: a) Captain Fritz b) Mr Studebaker. He doesn't say a) and b) were in the same shot.

Do you really believe Mr Alyea hallucinated the finding of chicken bones & Dr Pepper bottle on the fifth floor? He is quite, quite emphatic about this event-------and clearly dismayed by the officers' continued support for the fiction that they were found on the sixth floor.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #493 on: May 05, 2021, 03:01:38 AM »
Why? Mr Alyea says he filmed two things: a) Captain Fritz b) Mr Studebaker. He doesn't say a) and b) were in the same shot.

Do you really believe Mr Alyea hallucinated the finding of chicken bones & Dr Pepper bottle on the fifth floor? He is quite, quite emphatic about this event-------and clearly dismayed by the officers' continued support for the fiction that they were found on the sixth floor.

Do you really believe all the officers who saw the lunch remains on/in the SN before Alyea arrived there were hallucinating?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #494 on: May 05, 2021, 03:02:13 AM »
Because Hill arrived just as Mooney announced the discovery of the shells and left before Fritz arrived.

So what? Mr Alyea was on the fifth floor (for the first time) well before this

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #495 on: May 05, 2021, 03:07:23 AM »
Do you really believe all the officers who saw the lunch remains on/in the SN before Alyea arrived there were hallucinating?

No.

Mr Alyea was on the fifth floor many minutes before the sixth-floor SN was 'discovered'. Read again what he said.

At some point after he and the officer came across the chicken bones and the Dr Pepper bottle on the fifth floor, somebody moved them up a floor

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #496 on: May 05, 2021, 03:09:24 AM »
Just to get away from chicken bones. We know there were two freight elevators that went to the upper floors and one that went to the 4 th and was called the passenger elevator. The two freight elevators had different mechanisms. Given those two differences I suspect that there was a clear protocol observed by the workers for use of them. Most working environments have these. I suspect that where possible the west elevator would be used and once the employee exited the gate would be shut. This would allow others to call it via press button. The east elevator could only be driven by use of a handle. It could not be called by others and could only be moved by someone on that floor after shutting the gate.

This would allow the east elevator to be used for moving larger quantities of stock to specific floors.

My question is this, if this protocol existencd in the TSBD and Williams, Jarman and Norman ascended together they would have used the west elevator and then shut the gate. This would have left them on the 5th and the west elevator able to be called. We now need to explain how the east elevator got to the fifth floor and essentially "locked off" from the first floor. We also need to wonder why Williams felt the need to take the east elevator to the fifth.