Et tu, Bonnie?

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #420 on: April 23, 2021, 08:24:12 AM »
Tell me anyone who doesn’t know what time their lunch time is.

It isn't just Williams whose memory seems to have deserted him concerning events that day.
Although BRW changes his lie the next day and more or less sticks to it (ignoring his problems with time-keeping), Norman and Jarman, in various interviews with the FBI and the Secret Service insist he was with them on the first floor and went up to the 5th floor with them. That is, until the WC hearings when everyone is suddenly singing from the same hymn sheet. For months Jarman and Norman insist BRW was with them whilst BRW is telling everyone he went up to the 6th floor alone.

At first Bill Shelley says he went back to the steps and back into the TSBD to phone his wife - this is a lie. After the shooting he went down to the railroad yard for a few minutes and entered the TSBD through the west door.
Lovelady says he was out on the front steps then went back inside the building. This is exactly the same lie as Shelley's as he also went down to the railroad yard for a few minutes before entering the west door.
It is interesting to note both Shelley and Lovelady tell exactly the same lie in their WC testimonies when they both try to put a timestamp of three minutes on the arrival of Baker.

Dougherty lied about working on the 5th floor at the time of the shooting and his story about taking the elevator down to the first, having a word with Piper then returning to work on the 6th is also a massive lie.

Charles Givens sudden remembrance, months after the event, that he went back up to the 6th floor and saw Oswald, stinks to high heaven.

Nearly all the men who were on the 6th floor that morning are lying about something or other.
You can look at each individual case and say "it could be this, it could be that" but when viewed as a collective it is clear there is something amiss.
People will always forget details about events, even if they occurred only a matter of hours earlier.
But too many people are remembering things that didn't happen and they were all on the 6th floor.

Some can brush that under the carpet but I cannot.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #421 on: April 23, 2021, 08:30:29 AM »
Things were "sorted out" by Belin and Ball on March 20. The various re-enactments were conducted according to one conclusion. The participants merely needed to stick to the script. Some did better than others. There are many examples of "prepping" that slipped out.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #422 on: April 23, 2021, 08:32:25 AM »
Mr. BALL. Where were you standing when you heard the shots?
Mr. ARCE. I was standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository. I was on that grassy area part in front.
Mr. BALL. You were not on the sidewalk?
Mr. ARCE. No, I was on the sidewalk, then I walked up to the grass to get a higher view. and still couldn't see.

I believe he has been identified standing east of the main entrance on the sidewalk as the motorcade passed. Hopefully someone has that image.

This is supposed to be Arce in Altgens 6


Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #423 on: April 23, 2021, 08:34:59 AM »
Things were "sorted out" by Belin and Ball on March 20. The various re-enactments were conducted according to one conclusion. The participants merely needed to stick to the script. Some did better than others. There are many examples of "prepping" that slipped out.

If the WC testimonies represent the "truth", I find it interesting that the majority of those who were on the 6th floor that day are lying on their very first statements to the authorities.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #424 on: April 23, 2021, 09:24:33 AM »
If the WC testimonies represent the "truth", I find it interesting that the majority of those who were on the 6th floor that day are lying on their very first statements to the authorities.

Even the WC Report and Bugliosi failed to follow the Ball Belin script. Reverting to the BRW May '64 statement. Bizarre.

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« Reply #425 on: April 23, 2021, 11:34:59 AM »
If the WC testimonies represent the "truth", I find it interesting that the majority of those who were on the 6th floor that day are lying on their very first statements to the authorities.

That's hardly the only problem with the WC testimonies.

They took Tomlinson's testimont before entering bullet CE399 into evidence to avoid having to show it to Tomlinson and thus eliminate the risk that he would fail to identify it under oath.

Arlen Specter interviewed FBI agents Sibert & O'Neil, who attended the autopsy and wrote a report about it, and then decided not to call them to testify.

Rankin ignored the Stroud letter about Dorothy Garner seeing Truly and Baker come up after Vicky Adams had gone done. Garner was apparently interviewed by the FBI (no document exists) before they decided to call her.

The FBI showed Oswald's arrest shirts to various people in order to determine if it was the same shirt he had worn on Friday morning. Nobody identified it except for Bledsoe and her story about the hole in the sleeve. Bledsoe was the only one who was asked about it during her testimony

Lovelady was clearly "coached" about seeing Vicky Adams prior to his testimony

The list goes on and on..... In now way the WC testimonies represent the "truth"

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #426 on: April 23, 2021, 06:10:14 PM »
That some interesting "logic."  Why would Oswald's prints not being on a Dr. Pepper bottle that belonged to someone else preclude his presence in the SN? Oswald's fingerprints were all over the SN boxes.

First things first, Mr. Smith, Have you finally moved on from trying to find irrefutable proof that the lying rooftop tandem were on that otherwise locked roof from the inside?

Have you also moved on from trying to find irrefutable proof that the lying rooftop tandem were ever together on those backstairs? No one has ever put them together near and/or on those backstairs save for Mr. Piper, who you know actually only places Roy Truly near the backstairs a few minutes later than the hastily contrived script timing sequence. Also, lest we forget Mr. Piper puts someone accompanying Roy Truly other than an obvious white helmeted motorcycle officer in long black boots.

We know Dallas Deputy Sheriff John Wiseman didn't see them together on those backstairs either, and he was right on their tail taking the same path to that otherwise locked roof from the inside.

Now, to your question, fair is fair, (A) the wrongly accused was employed to handle boxes on occasion; and (B) we may never know which one of the lying, fork-tongued floor crewmembers was ordered/assigned to collect those particular boxes handled by him and subsequently place them in incriminating fashion over in the SN. 

Of course, perhaps all of these work crewmembers are only guilty of changing their statements for whatever reason amid a hastily contrived script challenge and the real culprit here is ----->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


The problem w/framing the wrongly accused is too many people failed to thoroughly vett their lies before offering up the horse manure stench they did amid a hastily contrived script. The wrongly accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.