Et tu, Bonnie?

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #203 on: April 12, 2021, 05:42:25 PM »
The misrepresentation continues....

Yes, Oswald denied owing a rifle (if the reports are to be believed), which includes the MC rifle found at the TSBD, but that wasn't the point I replied to.

You falsely claimed that Oswald provided no explanation for the presence of the MC rifle at the TSBD.

So I asked you who asked Oswald for an explanation of the MC rifle being found at the TSBD?

Since you claim was obviously false, you can't answer and thus pathetically try to pivot away to another false claim.

Good grief.  Oswald denied he owned ANY rifle or carried any long bag that morning - including by implication the MC rifle found on the 6th floor and shown in the BY photo which he claimed was faked.  That is his answer regarding the rifle.  He was also asked if he had ever seen any rifle in the building and he comes up with the rifles that were brought to the building a couple days beforehand.  He says nothing about seeing the MC rifle or knowing how it came to be there when asked about a seeing a rifle in the building.  If he had indicated that he had seen the MC rifle, I'm sure the DPD would have asked him further questions.  But Oswald's position is that he did not own any rifle and had no information about any other rifle in the building except those brought by Castor earlier that week.   As a result, he provided no explanation for his rifle's presence in the building despite many obvious opportunities to explain it.  Instead he lies and denies any knowledge of it.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #204 on: April 12, 2021, 05:47:10 PM »
An excellent point, Mr. Iacoletti, once again here's yet another instance highlighting the prevailing fallacious of a hastily contrived script to frame the wrongly accused.

Let's see.  A witness who indicated that she knew Oswald beforehand confirmed his presence on the bus.  And Oswald had a bus transfer that can be traced to the driver of that bus.  But there is no evidence of his presence on the bus in contrarian land?  LOL.  Instead what is cited as evidence is an estimate of the length of a bag that a witness admits he had little cause to notice and his description of how the bag was carried while walking at a distance behind Oswald.  This estimate is deemed to be scientifically precise down to the inch. 

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #205 on: April 12, 2021, 06:03:43 PM »
Good grief.  Oswald denied he owned ANY rifle or carried any long bag that morning - including by implication the MC rifle found on the 6th floor and shown in the BY photo which he claimed was faked.  That is his answer regarding the rifle.  He was also asked if he had ever seen any rifle in the building and he comes up with the rifles that were brought to the building a couple days beforehand.  He says nothing about seeing the MC rifle or knowing how it came to be there when asked about a seeing a rifle in the building.  If he had indicated that he had seen the MC rifle, I'm sure the DPD would have asked him further questions.  But Oswald's position is that he did not own any rifle and had no information about any other rifle in the building except those brought by Castor earlier that week.   As a result, he provided no explanation for his rifle's presence in the building despite many obvious opportunities to explain it.  Instead he lies and denies any knowledge of it.

He was also asked if he had ever seen any rifle in the building and he comes up with the rifles that were brought to the building a couple days beforehand.  He says nothing about seeing the MC rifle or knowing how it came to be there when asked about a seeing a rifle in the building.

Which leads to the logical conclusion that he did not see the MC rifle or knew how it got into the TSBD.

As a result, he provided no explanation for his rifle's presence in the building despite many obvious opportunities to explain it.

Who, other than you, says that it is "his rifle"?

Instead he lies and denies any knowledge of it.

Only if you start with the flawed conclusion that he owned the MC rifle found at the TSBD, for which there is no evidence!

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #206 on: April 12, 2021, 06:10:06 PM »
Mr. Smith,

Lest you forget you have been on the clock now since April 7th to produce an actual photo image of the lying rooftop tandem standing atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside. We all understand if you cannot produce that kind of irrefutable evidence...there's a reason for that (they outright lied amid a hastily contrived script to frame the wrongly accused).

Now, as we continue to await your irrefutable proof that clearly shows the lying rooftop tandem atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside, let's take into consideration the manufactured/planted bus transfer. Just a simple question: Why is it in such pristine condition?

Before you answer, lest you forget there's plenty of evidence of an intense struggle with the wrongly accused inside the Texas Theatre that afternoon, so don't offer up the excuse of magic was evident to avoid the planted bus-transfer from natural, normal tearing, wrinkling, etc. There's been way too much magic in this case already (a magic bullet, the magical exploits of the lying rooftop tandem magically gaining access to an otherwise locked roof from the inside, while at the same time magically locking themselves out of the building from the otherside)...you cannot make this stuff up but considering it's all a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, well anything magical is possible. The issue here is they had to frame an innocent party in a short period of time... not exactly enough time though to thoroughly vett their lies.

Lest you forget, you are still on the clock to produce irrefutable proof of the lying rooftop tandem standing atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside. We all understand if you continue to avoid the challenge. There's a reason for that. Only the absolute truth can stand the test of time--no phony hastily contrived revision(s), do-overs, etc.
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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #207 on: April 12, 2021, 06:12:47 PM »
He was also asked if he had ever seen any rifle in the building and he comes up with the rifles that were brought to the building a couple days beforehand.  He says nothing about seeing the MC rifle or knowing how it came to be there when asked about a seeing a rifle in the building.

Which leads to the logical conclusion that he did not see the MC rifle or knew how it got into the TSBD.



Uh no.  Obviously, another explanation is that he lied.  If the rifle was owned by Oswald, he could have admitted ownership and conjured up some explanation for his rifle being there like he planned to go hunting that weekend or that the rifle had been stolen etc.  He has ample opportunity to provide an explanation for his rifle's presence in the building which is the point you took issue with (i.e. he was not directly asked).  Instead he decides to deny ownership or any knowledge of how the rifle came to be there despite a mountain of evidence from a variety of different sources that link him to that rifle including his palm print on it.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #208 on: April 12, 2021, 06:25:19 PM »
Mr. Smith,

Lest you forget you have been on the clock now since April 7th to produce an actual photo image of the lying rooftop tandem standing atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside. We all understand if you cannot produce that kind of irrefutable evidence...there's a reason for that (they outright lied amid a hastily contrived script to frame the wrongly accused).

Now, as we continue to await your irrefutable proof that clearly shows the lying rooftop tandem atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside, let's take into consideration the manufactured/planted bus transfer. Just a simple question: Why is it in such pristine condition?

Before you answer, lest you forget there's plenty of evidence of an intense struggle with the wrongly accused inside the Texas Theatre that afternoon, so don't offer up the excuse of magic was evident to avoid the planted bus-transfer from natural, normal tearing, wrinkling, etc. There's been way too much magic in this case already (a magic bullet, the magical exploits of the lying rooftop tandem magically gaining access to an otherwise locked roof from the inside, while at the same time magically locking themselves out of the building from the otherside)...you cannot make this stuff up but considering it's all a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, well anything magical is possible. The issue here is they had to frame an innocent party in a short period of time... not exactly enough time though to thoroughly vett their lies.

Lest you forget, you are still on the clock to produce irrefutable proof of the lying rooftop tandem standing atop that otherwise locked roof from the inside. We all understand if you continue to avoid the challenge. There's a reason for that. Only the absolute truth can stand the test of time--no phony hastily contrived revision(s), do-overs, etc.

What are you babbling about here?  A different topic.  Are you really suggesting there is doubt of Truly's and Baker's trip to the roof because there is no picture of them on the roof?  Who would take such a picture since no one else was up there?  And your bizarre basis for this entire claim is that the door to the roof was latched on the inside.  HA HA HA.  As though Truly who was the building superintendent and had worked for the TSBD for 30 years - much less anyone else - couldn't just flip the latch to access the roof.  What you apparently are too dense to understand is that if the door was latched on the inside, the only thing that proves is that none of your fantasy conspirators could have gotten back down into the building from the roof.  Your subjective opinion as to the condition of a bus transfer in Oswald's pocket following his arrest does not rebut the fact that the bus transfer was in his pocket.  It proves he was on the bus.  There is no explanation to plant such a bus transfer since the bus took him nowhere.  It did not advance any possible objective in your fantasy conspiracy.  Why bother faking his presence on a bus that goes nowhere and having to convince a whole bus load of people to confirm or at least not deny he was on the bus?   How would they even know which bus was in the vicinity at that moment to plant an bus transfer on him just a short time later. 
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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #209 on: April 12, 2021, 06:35:12 PM »
What are you babbling about here?  A different topic.  Are you really suggesting there is doubt of Truly's and Baker's trip to the roof because there is no picture of them on the roof?  Who would take such a picture since no one else was up there?  And your bizarre basis for this entire claim is that the door to the roof was latched on the inside.  HA HA HA.  As though Truly who was the building superintendent and had worked for the TSBD for 30 years - much less anyone else - couldn't just flip the latch to access the roof.  What you apparently are too dense to understand is that if the door was latched on the inside, the only thing that proves is that none of your fantasy conspirators could have gotten back down into the building from the roof.  Your subjective opinion as to the condition of a bus transfer in Oswald's pocket following his arrest does not rebut the fact that the bus transfer was in his pocket.  It proves he was on the bus.  There is no explanation to plant such a bus transfer since the bus took him nowhere.  It did not advance any possible objective in your fantasy conspiracy.  Why bother faking a his presence on a bus that goes nowhere?

Still cannot provide any irrefutable proof eh...there's a reason for that.

Now, in response to just who would take such a picture, lest you forget Mr. Smith Dealey Plaza was flooded with newsmen, a high percentage of them with cameras in tow. They didn't have to be atop the roof to snap an image of the lying rooftop tandem IF they were really up there, because according to their own testimonies--their words, not mine--they put themselves in a specific position atop that roof that would have garnered more than a few stares from the general public and cameramen alike.

There's one particular photo, taking in the same time sequence as the position they placed themselves in in testimony--their words, not mine, where their presence would have been noted for all to see IF they were telling the truth instead of steering attention away from where Roy Truly's genuine whereabouts and actions were...

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


Lest you forget Mr. Smith no one--you read that right--no one saw the lying rooftop tandem together on those backstairs, no one. I'll save you the trouble for even attempting to rely upon Mr. Piper's testimony, because lest you forget he does put someone with Roy Truly at the backstairs on the first floor a few minutes after the last shot--his words, not mine--but it wasn't with a highly recognizable white helmeted motorcycle officer in loooong black boots.

Again, no one puts the lying rooftop tandem together on those backstairs, no one.
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