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Oswald's shot-1 ricochet was at Z113 or Z105.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 02, 2021, 01:18:08 AM ---You gather incorrectly.
Go back and look at the images. It is clear the hole in JBC's jacket is way below the wrist position.
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It is also below and medial to the exit point on the chest, which was at the level of the fifth rib, just below and slightly medial to the right nipple. Here is the difference:
--- Quote ---There is no way you can explain it away. You can only deny the obvious.
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It is rather simple, actually. Use the actual location on the body and not the clothing
--- Quote ---The cuff of JBC's jacket is clearly seen.
I've put on an arrow to help.
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Uh, no. That is the edge of the hat, not the jacket cuff. Prior to z272, the hat is covering the view of the jacket cuff. The hat is not directly touching the jacket sleeve. The end of the jacket cuff where the bullet struck is not visible in the zfilm until after z271.
--- Quote ---Without realising it you've provided the third piece of evidence highlighting the impossibility of a shot around z270.
In the image above it is clear the end of the jacket sleeve and the french cuff of his shirt don't line up in a way that explains the holes in each. JBC's jacket sleeve is too far down, there is too much of the shirt sleeve showing.
In the above image it is possible to determine where the radius is (at the point where his wrist is flexing, up near the tie knot). The jacket sleeve is a good few inches below this point.
How is it possible for a bullet entering the sleeve of the jacket to shatter the radius?
Answer - it's not.
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I am not clear on where you think the bullet struck on the radius. The pre-operative x-ray (CE691) shows this:
This wound was "rather oblique with some considerable contusion at the margins of it". This is described in the operative record as being "over the junction of the distal fourth of the radius and shaft" The other break in the skin was on the palm side of the wrist about 2 cm above (toward the elbow) from the flexion crease of the wrist. (CE392, 16H533). So the damage is some distance from the wrist joint.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on September 02, 2021, 10:39:43 PM ---
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Jerry, you are showing the wrist AFTER z271, which is when I say the bullet struck. The bullet created a jagged entrance wound and dragged mohair fibres into the wound. These fibres very likely came from the jacket cuff that the bullet had just passed through. That could easily have changed the relative positions of the jacket sleeve/French cuff/wrist/hand/hat. So why don't you try making your argument based on the position of these things BEFORE z272?
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Jerry Organ on September 02, 2021, 10:39:43 PM ---
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I know we look at things differently but some of your graphics are off the charts - this is one of them.
There could hardly be a more clear demonstration of the fallacy of Andrew's position.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 03, 2021, 04:20:25 PM ---I know we look at things differently but some of your graphics are off the charts - this is one of them.
There could hardly be a more clear demonstration of the fallacy of Andrew's position.
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You are comparing a photo of a twisted turned torso with shoulders skewed to a photo of him standing upright. Here is a better comparison:
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on September 03, 2021, 07:26:01 PM ---You are comparing a photo of a twisted turned torso with shoulders skewed to a photo of him standing upright. Here is a better comparison:
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I'm not getting any of the images you are posting.
I don't know if it's just me.
Photoimage seems to be the best way to upload images (IMO)
LATER EDIT:
Not Photoimage
Postimages (https://postimages.org/)
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