Silvia Duran and the CIA

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2021, 03:57:04 PM »
Duran testified that when Oswald was told he could not get a transit visa at that time that "he became highly agitated and angry...He was red and he was almost crying, and uh he was insisting and insisting...[Azcue] opened the door and told Oswald to go away..

Azcue tesitifed that the man "was very anxious we grant him the visa...We never had any individual that was so insistent or persistent...He was never friendly...He accused us of being bureaucrats and in a very discourteous manner..."

Someone impersonating another person wouldn't, it seems obviously, act this way. Go back multiple time? Isn't once enough? And then act in an outward way that draws great attention to yourself?

Further: Handwriting experts for the WC and HSCA concluded that the signature on the hotel register at the hotel in MC he stayed at belonged to Oswald. The hotel manager and the maid both identified Oswald as being there. The desk clerk and the night watchman both identified Oswald as the American (a rarity they said) who stayed there. The owner of a nearby restaurant identified Oswald as the American who had eaten several meals there. Oswald wrote in a letter he sent to the Soviet Embassy that he went to MC and visited the Cuban consulate...on and on and on....

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Offline Louis Earl

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2021, 04:04:55 PM »
If that was an Oswald impostor why in the world would he draw close attention to himself by acting like that?

I believe there are multiple instances of someone impersonating LHO in the weeks leading up to the assassination.  They have something in common.  In all instances the imposter DID things to draw attention to himself because his intent was to create a scene that people would remember.  All the instances put LHO in a guilty posture.  Why pretend to be LHO if no one would remember?  Look at all these stories and we see a man who did not act like the real LHO ... he was not polite and quiet which was LHO's real personality.  To the contrary the imposter was rude and loud, in every instance.

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2021, 04:13:16 PM »
The three senior KGB officers/Embassy officials who met Oswald in Mexico City were first interviewed in 1993 by the PBS Frontline program "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Here are excerpts from that show.

FRONTLINE NARRATOR: At the Soviet embassy, he met with three consular officials. In fact, all three were KGB officers working under diplomatic cover. In this, their first interview, they recall that Oswald's hands were shaking and his behavior was erratic.

OLEG NECHIPORENKO, KGB: [through interpreter] We all thought the man had an unstable nervous system. He was extremely agitated.

VALERY KOSTIKOV, KGB: [through interpreter] During our talk, Oswald kept feeling in his pockets, taking out all sorts of papers. Then he took out a gun and put it in front of him. I sat opposite him. I took the gun away and put it on Pavel's desk.

Pavel Antonovich asked him, "Why did you come here with a gun? What do you need a gun for?" He said, "I'm afraid of the FBI. I'm being persecuted. I need a gun to protect myself, for my personal safety." That's what he said."

The three KGB officers were shown the photo that the CIA released. All said the man was not the person they met who said he was Oswald.

NARRATOR: But there is much evidence that the real Oswald was in Mexico City. At the Soviet embassy, all three KGB officers told FRONTLINE the man they met was the real Lee Harvey Oswald, not the man in the photograph the CIA released.

VALERY KOSTIKOV, KGB: [through interpreter] No, this is a completely different person. The Oswald who had visited our embassy and whose photographs I saw in many newspapers and on TV was completely different.

Source/link: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/oswald/transcript/

Nechiporenko wrote a book - "Passport to Assassination" - about the meeting. He said the man was indeed Lee Harvey Oswald and that the man in the photo did not identify himself as Oswald but was an American who had visited the Embassy before seeking a visa.

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2021, 04:21:10 PM »
Someone impersonating another person wouldn't, it seems obviously, act this way. Go back multiple time? Isn't once enough? And then act in an outward way that draws great attention to yourself?
Answered concisely above...attention is what was intended.
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Further: Handwriting experts... concluded that the signature on the hotel register belonged to Oswald.

A forgery? Why not sign it 'Hidell'?
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....wrote in a letter he sent to the Soviet Embassy that he went to MC and visited the Cuban consulate.
Then why would he staunchly deny ever being in Mexico when interrogated by Fritz?
21 pages were done on all this here-------
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1599.msg41639.html#msg41639

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2021, 05:31:47 PM »
Just one more and I promise to shut up.

This is the photo (immediately below) that the man who said he was Oswald gave to the Cubans (Duran) for his transit visa application. The Cuban government provided this to the HSCA investigation (you can see the two staples that were used to staple it to the application).



This is a photo of the man who some believe was impersonating Oswald.


It is obvious to anyone that the two men are different. Does anyone believe that Duran was given the top above photo but the man below was the actual person who was impersonating Oswald? And he gave the top above photo for his application to Duran? And she didn't realize the difference?

Imagine that you are Duran. The man in the second photo comes to you applying for a transit visa. He gives you the above top photo for the application. You look at it. You can see within a second that the photo is not of the man in front of you; it's a different person.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2021, 06:39:16 PM »
Just one more and I promise to shut up.
... the photo that the man who said he was Oswald gave to the Cubans (Duran) for his transit visa application. The Cuban government provided this to the HSCA investigation (you can see the two staples that were used to staple it to the application).
Ms Duran was a Mexican national not a Cuban. A link/report---
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Why did Duran refer to Oswald in her interrogations as "blonde and short," an identification subsequently omitted from accounts of the interrogation? Was she describing Oswald or an imposter? It should be noted here that Duran told the HSCA she believed that she dealt with the same man who was arrested in Dallas, though her colleague Eusebio Azcue told the HSCA he believed otherwise.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Sylvia_Durans_Interrogation.html
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... a photo of the man who some believe was impersonating Oswald. 
It is obvious to anyone that the two men are different.
Go look through that thread I linked.
There is no proof otherwise that he was deliberately impersonating Oswald.
 
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Does anyone believe that Duran was given the top above photo but the man below was the actual person who was impersonating Oswald? And he gave the top above photo for his application to Duran? And she didn't realize the difference?
Who told you that Duran was shown that Russian embassy picture? I don't believe she was. Also...she could have just been given that Oswald photo [taken elsewhere besides Mexico]--the tie..the sweater.. :-\ all this discussed somewhere in that Oswald in Mexico thread. We were told that people said Lee Oswald was in Mexico. We were also told that Saddam had WMDs  ???
 

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Re: Silvia Duran and the CIA
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2021, 07:42:55 PM »
Back to the original post/question. This is from Gus Russo's book "Live by the Sword":

"On the day after the assassination, CIA headquarters in Langley received a cable from the Mexico City Station informing them that the Mexican Police were detaining and planning to arrest Sylvia Duran... Headquarters immediately telephoned the Mexico Station ordering them to prevent the arrest. If Cuba was involved in the president's assassination, the CIA wanted to find out before the Mexico City police did.

Thomas Karamessines, Deputy to Richard Helms, the CIA's Deputy Director for Plans, has testified that "the CIA feared that the Cubans were responsible [for the assassination] and that Duran might reveal this during an interrogation...

The CIA was unsuccessful, however, in preventing the arrest, and was forced to settle for assisting Mexican authorities preparing the Duran interrogation questions. "

From the cable that Karamessines sent to the Mexico City Station:
"ARREST OF SYLVIA DURAN IS EXTREMELY SERIOUS MATTER WHICH COULD PREJUDICE [U.S. ] FREEDOM OF ACTION ON ENTIRE QUESTION OF [CUBAN] RESPONSIBILITY. WITH FULL REGARD FOR MEXICAN INTEREST, REQUEST YOU ENSURE THAT HER ARREST IS KEPT ABSOLUTELY SECRET, THAT NO INFORMATION FROM HER IS PUBLISHED OR LEAKED, THAT ALL SUCH INFO IS CABLED TO US, AND THAT FACT OF HER ARREST AND HER STATEMENTS ARE NOT SPREAD TO LEFTIST OR DISLOYAL CIRCLES IN THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT."

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