Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Holland would have seen smoke from the autoburst & might have later remembered it as being in the trees.

bump.

[Royell Storing]

   You lock-steppers that echo the "signal strike" theory continue dancing around Oswald having to be in a STANDING POSITION to fire Downward through a 1/2 open window to even bring the signal into his firing line. And of course Oswald then allegedly needs to sit down or knell down, reacquire the target, and fire the 2nd and 3rd shots? Really? What "sniper" incorporates a "jack-in-the-box" routine such as this? Max Holland was also forced to MOVE the location of the JFK Limo on Elm St in addition to 2x'ing the total time for the 3 shots being fired. This "signal strike" theory has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support it. NONE. Yet, you're the same parrots that go out of their way to trash Gordon Arnold and his story. And now we even have an image(s) of a "No Hat Cop" inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 to support a key part of the Gordon Arnold story. And, a recently discovered additional image.     ---------- TO BE CONTINUED  ------------

[Dan O'meara]

   You lock-steppers that echo the "signal strike" theory continue dancing around Oswald having to be in a STANDING POSITION to fire Downward through a 1/2 open window to even bring the signal into his firing line. And of course Oswald then allegedly needs to sit down or knell down, reacquire the target, and fire the 2nd and 3rd shots? Really? What "sniper" incorporates a "jack-in-the-box" routine such as this? Max Holland was also forced to MOVE the location of the JFK Limo on Elm St in addition to 2x'ing the total time for the 3 shots being fired. This "signal strike" theory has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support it. NONE. Yet, you're the same parrots that go out of their way to trash Gordon Arnold and his story. And now we even have an image(s) of a "No Hat Cop" inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 to support a key part of the Gordon Arnold story. And, a recently discovered additional image.     ---------- TO BE CONTINUED  ------------

Yet, you're the same parrots that go out of their way to trash Gordon Arnold

Just to clarify, the Gordon Arnold story isn't just trashed by people who believe the farcical notion that the first shot hit the signal - it's trashed by everyone.
And rightly so, as it is clearly 

And now we even have an image(s) of a "No Hat Cop" inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63

No "we" don't.
We have a couple of blurry and completely indistinct images that can't tell us anything and that people have randomly decided to label a No Hat Cop.
And here you are, parroting it like it's a fact.

And, a recently discovered additional image.     ---------- TO BE CONTINUED  ------------

 
Oh, brother...

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

   You lock-steppers that echo the "signal strike" theory continue dancing around Oswald having to be in a STANDING POSITION to fire Downward through a 1/2 open window to even bring the signal into his firing line. And of course Oswald then allegedly needs to sit down or knell down, reacquire the target, and fire the 2nd and 3rd shots? Really? What "sniper" incorporates a "jack-in-the-box" routine such as this? Max Holland was also forced to MOVE the location of the JFK Limo on Elm St in addition to 2x'ing the total time for the 3 shots being fired. This "signal strike" theory has absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support it. NONE. Yet, you're the same parrots that go out of their way to trash Gordon Arnold and his story. And now we even have an image(s) of a "No Hat Cop" inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 to support a key part of the Gordon Arnold story. And, a recently discovered additional image.     ---------- TO BE CONTINUED  ------------

The signal ricochet hard evidence is ........
............the bits of lead in the galea on the right top of jfk's head (xray) &
............ the 2 halves of the brass jacket found in the limo &
............. the hole in the floor of the limo (photo).
The soft evidence is..........
............. witness statements that shot-1 was as the limo straightened up in Elm St (or similar).

I dont understand re Holland...... what do u mean that he had to move the limo?........ what do u mean that he had trouble with the timing of the shots?
I have never seen any such problems with Hollands work (the good bits of his work)(not the silly bits).

[Royell Storing]

The signal ricochet hard evidence is ........
............the bits of lead in the galea on the right top of jfk's head (xray) &
............ the 2 halves of the brass jacket found in the limo &
............. the hole in the floor of the limo (photo).
The soft evidence is..........
............. witness statements that shot-1 was as the limo straightened up in Elm St (or similar).

I dont understand re Holland...... what do u mean that he had to move the limo?........ what do u mean that he had trouble with the timing of the shots?
I have never seen any such problems with Hollands work (the good bits of his work)(not the silly bits).

        Gee, why am I Not Surprised that NOBODY addresses: (1) Mandated Oswald "jack-in-the-box" sniper maneuvers, (2) Altering the Limo location on Elm, or (3) Elapsed time for the 3 shots being DOUBLED to 12 Seconds, to slip this "signal strike" theory within the boundaries of Ball Park Plausible?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

        Gee, why am I Not Surprised that NOBODY addresses: (1) Mandated Oswald "jack-in-the-box" sniper maneuvers, (2) Altering the Limo location on Elm, or (3) Elapsed time for the 3 shots being DOUBLED to 12 Seconds, to slip this "signal strike" theory within the boundaries of Ball Park Plausible?

(1)

Here are the timings for Oswald's shot-1 & shot-2 & for a faux shot-3.
87 ft is the horizontal dist scaled by me, 106 ft is the hypotenuse dist allowing for vertical dist estimated by me.

Oswald Shot ----------- hit at ------ fired at  ------ sound hit JFK at – Carcano = 2170 ft per sec.
1 --- 87 ft = 106 ft ----- Z113 ------ Z112.1 ---------- Z113.9 ----- camera runs at 18.3 frames per sec.
2 --- 184 ft = 197 ft---- Z218 ------- Z216.3 --------- Z219.6
3 --- 255 ft = 266 ft ---- Z313 -------- Z310.8 --------- Z315.2 -------- Oswald did not have a shot-3.
The time tween shot-1 & shot-2 is 104.2 frames, which is 5.7 sec. Holland reckoned that shot-1 was at Z106, which is an extra 7 frames, or 0.4 sec, which makes it 6.1 sec.
The time tween shot-2 & faux shot-3 is 94.5 frames, which is 5.2 sec.
Adding to 10.9 sec.

Here are the timings for Hickey's auto burst, based on there being 6 shots.
Hickey Shot ------------- hit at ------ fired at  ------ sound hit JFK at -------
6 ---- 26 ft---------------- Z313 -------- Z312.8 ---------- Z313.2 --- hit JFK in head & cracked windshield.
5 ---- AR15 = 3250 ft per sec------------ Z310.0 ---------- hit chrome trim on windshield.
4 ---- sound = 1100 ft per sec ----------- Z307.25 -------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
3 ---- probly 400 rpm= 6.67 rps --------- Z304.5 ---------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
2 ------------------------------------------- Z301.8 ----------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
1 ------------------------------------------- Z299.0 ---- probly hit Main St pavement & then kerb near Tague.

My calculation of Oswald's angles based on above is .....
shot-1 at Z113 is -34.8 deg. If at Holland's Z106 it is still -34.6 deg koz either way it is at the signals.
shot-2 at Z218 is -21.0 deg.
shot-3 at Z312 is -16.6 deg.
So, how is 34.8  deg to 21.0 deg a jack in the box?

(2) What limo re-location?
(3) What shot timings?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

........................................From the other thread.....................................https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3832.16.html

Stop the above youtube at 0:54.
Yes, the problem of the AR15 is like the SBT. But, the SBT works (ie re line & angle), & the AR15 theory works (ie re line & angle).
U correctly mention that we dont know whether the jfklimo was completely inside the center lane. But this is not critical. If the jfklimo was half in the fast lane then this would only make a say 40 inch difference to the alignment of the limo center line where it meets Tague, ie the center line moves 40 inches to the left, ie a 40 inch offset, but is still parallel, ie the angle to Elm St duznt change in the 2 scenarios, ie if Queen Mary too was half in the fast lane.

Notice that in the above frame the jfklimo is say 20% in the fast lane. I forget where i got that frame. Its from one of the members here. But i painted the stars etc. It shows jfk sitting well right, but at Z312 jfk's head was lower & very near the center line of the limo (ie where the lowest star is drawn)(that star is supposed to show the inshoot)(the hollow star shows the position of the crack damage).

What duznt work is the theory that Oswald fired the headshot, ie from the sniper's nest. The angles are wrong (Donahue in Mortal Error).
And a Carcano FMJ duznt explode (Donahue in Mortal Error)(however soft point Carcano's were available)(& Oswald could have made his own Carcano hollow-point i suppose).

I cant remember whether the horizontal line & angle problem for the AR15 has been dealt with in much detail on this forum.
The vertical line & angle problem has been dealt with in this present thread & in a Bronson footage thread that i started a couple of years ago. https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2836.32.html

Donahue dealt with the vertical line & angle problem for the AR15 in Mortal Error. Not so much the horizontal line & angle problem i think.

Daniel R Roffe wrote a book......... JFK Motorcade: The Accidental Shooting Death of President John F Kennedy.
This deals mainly with the horizontal & vertical line & angle problem i think.
I could not find a used copy for sale on the internet, but would cost about $200.
And i could not find any info or drawings from the book.

As detailed in this thread, some or all of the AR15 shots had to pass throo the gap between the upturned vizors on Queen Mary.
And one or two might have had to pass throo the gap between the upturned vizors in the jfklimo.
All of the shots had to pass over the windshield of Queen Mary.
And the 2nd last shot which dented the chrome trim above the mirror in the jfklimo had to pass under the divider/roll-bar of the jfklimo. In the above frame the divider/roll-bar has been left out (because the frame originally  dealt with the SBT i suppose, it did not deal with the AR15).

And the remnant slug from the last shot, the head shot, had to veer 6 deg inside the head, & then crack the windshield.
6 deg is a big ask for a hollow point.
But it works, it has to work.
It was rotten luck, he was just doing his job.

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