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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #232 on: March 04, 2021, 04:30:21 AM »
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Weidmann gave you a plausible answer, which you did not like and could not counter and thus ignored. S.O.P. for you!

I'm not giving you another one. Deal with it.

Deal with it
LOL. I'm all shook up.

You did nothing but shuck & jive while inching your way toward the exit.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #232 on: March 04, 2021, 04:30:21 AM »


Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #233 on: March 04, 2021, 07:24:38 AM »

I woulda swore that you wrote this lil Chappie.....
"you also cannot explain why conspirators would place the shooter behind the limo and yet claim shots from in front of the limo."

And I pointed out why there was a shooter in front of the limo, as well as a shooter behind the president.   But that's probably a little too difficult for you to understand.....

Goofball. Tell is why anybody would need to be framed in the first place.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #234 on: March 04, 2021, 03:01:25 PM »
So that's they only time the cartridges could have been fired from the carcano??   How do you explain the dirt and rust in the barrel, when three rounds would definitely have scoured any rust from the barrel.....

I explain it as largely a figment of your imagination along with a false understanding of the evidence.  Now explain to me why your fantasy conspirators would leave a rifle that wasn't used in the crime to frame Oswald?  That is inexplicable.  Why not use the same rifle to commit the crime as they are going to leave at the scene and avoid the obvious complications involved in using a different rifle/ammo and having to somehow fake all that evidence.  It is absurd.  And there is no credible evidence that any other rifle was used or that Oswald's rifle was planted.  That is just a baseless "possibility" posed to avoid accepting the obvious conclusion from the actual evidence.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #235 on: March 04, 2021, 03:13:00 PM »
Your complete failure to answer any of my questions is extremely telling! Could it possibly be that you are afraid to answer them, as it might result in the realisation that the narrative you believe is actually a house of cards build on a shaky foundation?

Tell us, "Richard", how could the MC rifle have been fired on 11/22/63 when the rust in the barrel, which should have been removed by the first shot, was still there when they found the rifle?

And tell us also, what bullet fragments were recovered from the limo by Frazier and his team?

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.  There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone.  Here is the WC report 

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After the Presidential car was returned to Washington on November 22, 1963, Secret Service agents found two bullet fragments in the front seat. One fragment, found on the seat beside the driver, weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment, found along the right side of the front seat, weighed 21.0 grains and consisted of the base portion of a bullet. During the course of an examination on November 23, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation found three small lead particles, weighing between seven-tenths and nine-tenths of a grain each, on the rug underneath the left jump seat which had been occupied by Mrs. Connally.

As described in the preceding section, five bullet fragments were found in the President's limousine. The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #236 on: March 04, 2021, 03:25:44 PM »
I explain it as largely a figment of your imagination along with a false understanding of the evidence.  Now explain to me why your fantasy conspirators would leave a rifle that wasn't used in the crime to frame Oswald?  That is inexplicable.  Why not use the same rifle to commit the crime as they are going to leave at the scene and avoid the obvious complications involved in using a different rifle/ammo and having to somehow fake all that evidence.  It is absurd.  And there is no credible evidence that any other rifle was used or that Oswald's rifle was planted.  That is just a baseless "possibility" posed to avoid accepting the obvious conclusion from the actual evidence.

explain to me why your fantasy conspirators would leave a rifle that wasn't used in the crime to frame Oswald?

OMG!....  This is soooo elementary that even a little kid can understand ....  If the kid wants to make it appear that his little brother ate all the cookies, he could plant a half eaten cookie in his little brothers pocket.   Then when mom starts askin questions the culprit says that he saw little brother eating cookies and he had some in his pockets.....  When Mom checks the patsy's pockets ....  Shazam....She finds a half eaten cookie.....

Is that simple enough for you?

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #237 on: March 04, 2021, 03:34:23 PM »
explain to me why your fantasy conspirators would leave a rifle that wasn't used in the crime to frame Oswald?

OMG!....  This is soooo elementary that even a little kid can understand ....  If the kid wants to make it appear that his little brother ate all the cookies, he could plant a half eaten cookie in his little brothers pocket.   Then when mom starts askin questions the culprit says that he saw little brother eating cookies and he had some in his pockets.....  When Mom checks the patsy's pockets ....  Shazam....She finds a half eaten cookie.....

Is that simple enough for you?

Wow.  That is incredibly stupid even from you.  But let's use your idiotic analogy.  If your kid ate a jar of chocolate chip cookies would he leave a ginger bread cookie to frame his brother?  Of course not because it would not fulfill his purpose.  He would leave a chocolate chip cookie.   You are not following the obvious problem with leaving a rifle that was not involved in the crime to frame someone for that crime. 

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #238 on: March 04, 2021, 04:42:54 PM »
You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.  There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone.  Here is the WC report 

WC:
After the Presidential car was returned to Washington on November 22, 1963, Secret Service agents found two bullet fragments in the front seat. One fragment, found on the seat beside the driver, weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment, found along the right side of the front seat, weighed 21.0 grains and consisted of the base portion of a bullet. During the course of an examination on November 23, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation found three small lead particles, weighing between seven-tenths and nine-tenths of a grain each, on the rug underneath the left jump seat which had been occupied by Mrs. Connally.

As described in the preceding section, five bullet fragments were found in the President's limousine. The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts. It was the unanimous opinion of the experts that the nearly whole bullet, the two largest bullet fragments. and the three cartridge cases were definitely fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building to the exclusion of all other weapons.

You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.  Attempting to draw some distinction about who found them is just rabbit hole nonsense.

No, I don't already know that. What I do know is that Frazier and his team were confronted by a contaminated crime scene when they arrived at the Secret Service garage to examine the limo and I do know that Frazier was handed some bullet fragments which he was told came from the limo. In other words, a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody!

Quoting the WC report as evidence (of what exactly?) is pathetic!

If a contaminated crime scene and no solid chain of custody isn't grounds for reasonable doubt then nothing is!

There is no credible evidence that these fragments or the bullet found at Parkland (which also came from Oswald's rifle) was planted by anyone. 

There doesn't have to be. What you need is credible and conclusive evidence that the fragments were indeed found in the limo and that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 is in fact the same one Tomlinson found at Parkland Hospital. Regarding the latter, O.V. Wright, in Six seconds in Dallas, denied it was.

The WC failed to provide such proof and simply ignored all the evidentiary problems with both the fragments and the Parkland bullet.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #239 on: March 04, 2021, 05:23:33 PM »
You, of course, already know that bullet fragments were recovered from the limo that came from Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of any other rifle.

"Recovered from the limo".  LOL.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

"Richard" stating assumptions as facts.  LOL.

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After the Presidential car was returned to Washington on November 22, 1963, Secret Service agents found two bullet fragments in the front seat.

That's not even true.  One was supposedly found by a Navy corpsman.  Neither have any documented chain of custody whatsoever.

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During the course of an examination on November 23, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation found three small lead particles, weighing between seven-tenths and nine-tenths of a grain each, on the rug underneath the left jump seat which had been occupied by Mrs. Connally.

That doesn't help determine what weapon was used.

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As described in the preceding section, five bullet fragments were found in the President's limousine. The cartridge cases, the nearly whole bullet and the bullet fragments were all subjected to firearms identification analysis by qualified experts.

The "nearly whole bullet" was allegedly found on an unrelated stretcher at Parkland Hospital and also has no documented chain of custody.  No evidence exists whatsoever that the bullet in evidence was ever in Dealey Plaza (or ever at Parkland Hospital for that matter) or ever went through Kennedy or Connally.