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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #144 on: February 18, 2021, 01:52:43 AM »
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It says 6.15, meaning Lt. Day's 7pm estimate was a bit off. But 6.15pm is still WAY later than Mr Oswald's first interrogation session. And yet he's shown THE rifle.

No, Mr. F....  The clock is proof that Lt Day was a liar..... And Lee's reply during the interrogation of..."I  saw this rifle and two other's the day before yesterday",  is accurate.....

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #145 on: February 18, 2021, 01:54:26 AM »
Referring to CE 486....It's obvious that the west window would have allowed plenty of sunlight to enter the room and if the man was standing just a few feet back from the south window he would have been illuminated by the sun shining through the west window, and thus he would have been clearly visible to Arnold Rowland.
Robert Harris always has this thing where he prefaces  a baseless assertion by leading off with the work "'obvious[ly]" in a vain attempt to avoid having to support is Shinola. Apparently, he's been rubbing off on you.

How is it obvious? The primary source of light in those photos is the photographers rig, whether it be due to speed lights or a flash bulb. Anyway, the sun at 12:15 is almost directly from due South. While the TSBD isn't oriented exactly N-S-E-W, it's fairly close, and what little sliver of direct light through the west windows would be cast towards the North side of the building.

The link below contains a photo taken later on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, from a perspective fairly close to what Rowland would have seen from his position. Since it's later on in the afternoon, the sun is shining from a much more Westerly direction than it would have a few minutes after noon. There should be a great deal more light coming through the West windows  than at 12:15. So where is all that glorious, rifleman-bathing natural light seen through SW corner window? And where in his testimony, affidavits, and interviews does Rowland describe the influence of such light?

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/president-kennedy-gallery-9/#PhotoSwipe1613588479229

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2021, 02:21:14 AM »
The link below contains a photo taken later on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, from a perspective fairly close to what Rowland would have seen from his position. Since it's later on in the afternoon, the sun is shining from a much more Westerly direction than it would have a few minutes after noon. There should be a great deal more light coming through the West windows  than at 12:15. So where is all that glorious, rifleman-bathing natural light seen through SW corner window? And where in his testimony, affidavits, and interviews does Rowland describe the influence of such light?

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/president-kennedy-gallery-9/#PhotoSwipe1613588479229

Now try
a) putting a person standing a few feet back from the window at 12.15pm, so the sunlight has something to hit
b) understanding that Mr Arnold saw the scene not in a black and white photograph but in full-color real life.

This image should help get you on your way



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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #147 on: February 18, 2021, 02:45:34 AM »
Robert Harris always has this thing where he prefaces  a baseless assertion by leading off with the work "'obvious[ly]" in a vain attempt to avoid having to support is Shinola. Apparently, he's been rubbing off on you.

How is it obvious? The primary source of light in those photos is the photographers rig, whether it be due to speed lights or a flash bulb. Anyway, the sun at 12:15 is almost directly from due South. While the TSBD isn't oriented exactly N-S-E-W, it's fairly close, and what little sliver of direct light through the west windows would be cast towards the North side of the building.

The link below contains a photo taken later on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, from a perspective fairly close to what Rowland would have seen from his position. Since it's later on in the afternoon, the sun is shining from a much more Westerly direction than it would have a few minutes after noon. There should be a great deal more light coming through the West windows  than at 12:15. So where is all that glorious, rifleman-bathing natural light seen through SW corner window? And where in his testimony, affidavits, and interviews does Rowland describe the influence of such light?

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/president-kennedy-gallery-9/#PhotoSwipe1613588479229

There should be a great deal more light coming through the West windows  than at 12:15

True...But the fact remains the west window was also illuminating the area where Arnold Rowland saw the light clothing clad ma with the HUNTING rifle was standing.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #148 on: February 18, 2021, 02:59:49 AM »
No, Mr. F....  The clock is proof that Lt Day was a liar..... And Lee's reply during the interrogation of..."I  saw this rifle and two other's the day before yesterday",  is accurate.....

Where had Lt Day been with that Carcano?....   Isn't it true that he had just taken the rifle to display to Marina Oswald?.....And didn't he ask her if she'd ever seen the rifle ......  So doesn't it make sense that he would also have taken the rifle to be displayed to Lee?

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2021, 03:02:21 AM »
Where had Lt Day been with that Carcano?....   Isn't it true that he had just taken the rifle to display to Marina Oswald?.....And didn't he ask her if she'd ever seen the rifle ......  So doesn't it make sense that he would also have taken the rifle to be displayed to Lee?

At 3:15pm?

Online Jack Nessan

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2021, 04:03:17 AM »
Does she have to pay extra for that?

You couldn't be more wrong.
The basic description of the rifleman he gives to his wife is the same as the one he gives in his affidavit is the same one he gives to the WC.

Don't forget, you also think his head is lower than his waist.  ;)

A slender heavy 200lb man that weighs 140lbs:

Mr. ROWLAND - He was rather slender in proportion to his size. I couldn't tell for sure whether he was tall and maybe, you know heavy, say 200 pounds, but tall whether he would be and slender or whether he was medium and slender, but in proportion to his size his build was slender.

Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to form any opinion as to the weight of the man in addition to the line of proportion which you have already described?
Mr. ROWLAND - I would say about 140 to 150 pounds

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That picture was of the window facing the west parking lot. It is the only time Walt Cakebread has ever been right. You have to give it to him.

 Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate of the space between the top of his head and the open window at the perspective you were observing?
Mr. ROWLAND - Two and a half, three feet, something on that--that is something very hard to ascertain. That would just be an estimation on my part.

Mr. SPECTER - Which half of the window was open, the bottom half or the top half?
Mr. ROWLAND - It was the bottom half.

Mr. SPECTER - And how much, if any, of his body was obscured by the window frame from that point down to the floor?
Mr. ROWLAND - From where I was standing I could see from his head to about 6 inches below his waist, below his belt.
Mr. SPECTER - Could you see as far as his knees?
Mr. ROWLAND - No.
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Mr. SPECTER - And from that point how far up his body were you able to see without any obstruction of a window between you and him?
Mr. ROWLAND - To the top of his head. There was some space on top of that where I could see the wall behind him.
Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate of the space between the top of his head and the open window at the perspective you were observing?
Mr. ROWLAND - Two and a half, three feet, something on that--that is something very hard to ascertain. That would just be an estimation on my part.

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LHO had the rifle slightly tipped in the wrong direction to his right but almost verticle ROWLAND - The entire rifle was in my view.
Mr. SPECTER - In the open part of the window?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.


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His head was always below his waist. Every time they asked him a question he proved it. Today it would be called a lifestyle. Describing a rifle as a "thirty odd size six" would be a good example of his head being below his waist. If he really was attempting to reference a 30-06, calling it an import rifle would also be a good example of his head being below his waist.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2021, 04:14:47 AM »
At 3:15pm?

Yes ...Day had just came from the TSBD  and brought the carcano into police headquarters.......