Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #133 on: February 17, 2021, 10:04:54 PM »

 That being taken care of, how does any of that change the height of the windows, or the analysis comparing the height of the open window against what Rowland claimed to have seen?

From your previous post:

"Apparent gap between top of "rifleman" head to top of window opening (30" and 36" per A. Rowland WC testimony)"

This is an erroneous parameter. Rowland misunderstands the question about the space between the rifleman's head and the top of the window as meaning the distance of his head away from the top of the window. The answer he gives is consistent with his estimation of how far in the building the rifleman is stood.
He is hardly describing the top half of the man's body plus another 36" seen through a 30" inch gap of the open window. Below is a very rough graphic meant to illustrate a basic principle. The gap between sill and the centre of the full window is represented by a red line. The same redline is overlaid on the middle of the trio to give a very basic idea of what someone looking through the window should see.
Obviously the further away from the window the man is stood the more of him would be visible as the angle of LoS from Rowland is a lot more shallow than that shown in the image.
It's basic and meant to convey a basic idea.


Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #134 on: February 17, 2021, 10:26:29 PM »
Fair enough Jack.
You're satisfied that Rowland tells his wife about a man with a rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD 15 minutes before the shooting but you believe he was just making it up and that it is just a miraculous coincidence that there was indeed a man with a rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD and a further miracle that his description of the man tallies with other sightings of the shooter.
It's a totally reasonable stance to take and I respect that.

I agree he is just blowing smoke up his wife's ass. The circumstances that occur later have nothing to do with that what he states before the motorcade arrives. When he tries the same story with the WC he is shown to be repeatedly making the whole story up.

He does not describe anyone. He describes this person as a heavy 200 lb  slender man that weighs approximately 140 lbs end he is either tall or maybe not.   He describes an individual standing with his left hand on the upper rifle stock with both his left hand and elbow at shoulder height. He then goes on to describe the rifle as pointing to the wall. Which is impossible because the wall is to his right not left.

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #135 on: February 17, 2021, 10:28:32 PM »
From your previous post:

"Apparent gap between top of "rifleman" head to top of window opening (30" and 36" per A. Rowland WC testimony)"

This is an erroneous parameter. Rowland misunderstands the question about the space between the rifleman's head and the top of the window as meaning the distance of his head away from the top of the window. The answer he gives is consistent with his estimation of how far in the building the rifleman is stood.
He is hardly describing the top half of the man's body plus another 36" seen through a 30" inch gap of the open window. Below is a very rough graphic meant to illustrate a basic principle. The gap between sill and the centre of the full window is represented by a red line. The same redline is overlaid on the middle of the trio to give a very basic idea of what someone looking through the window should see.
Obviously the further away from the window the man is stood the more of him would be visible as the angle of LoS from Rowland is a lot more shallow than that shown in the image.
It's basic and meant to convey a basic idea.



No and you have the wrong picture. The window is only 14 " high. Specter knew that and let Arnold prattle on.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #136 on: February 17, 2021, 10:43:29 PM »
I agree he is just blowing smoke up his wife's ass.

Does she have to pay extra for that?

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The circumstances that occur later have nothing to do with that what he states before the motorcade arrives. When he tries the same story with the WC he is shown to be repeatedly making the whole story up.

You couldn't be more wrong.
The basic description of the rifleman he gives to his wife is the same as the one he gives in his affidavit is the same one he gives to the WC.

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He does not describe anyone. He describes this person as a heavy 200 lb  slender man that weighs approximately 140 lbs end he is either tall or maybe not.   He describes an individual standing with his left hand on the upper rifle stock with both his left hand and elbow at shoulder height. He then goes on to describe the rifle as pointing to the wall. Which is impossible because the wall is to his right not left.

Don't forget, you also think his head is lower than his waist.  ;)

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #137 on: February 17, 2021, 10:46:08 PM »
No and you have the wrong picture. The window is only 14 " high. Specter knew that and let Arnold prattle on.

??

How high do you think the window in the picture is?

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #138 on: February 17, 2021, 10:59:15 PM »
From Agent James Hosty's contemporaneous notes taken during Mr Oswald's first interrogation (which started 3:15pm, 11/22)-------------



Like most people, I long assumed Mr Oswald talked merely about a rifle which he had seen (and which, it was later established, belonged to Mr Warren Caster), rather than any particular rifle. However, I was knocked for six when I recently came across this FBI interview report for Mr Roy Truly from 11/22-----------



"the rifle"

Did Captain Fritz confront Mr Oswald with the Carcano, and did Mr Oswald claim he had seen Mr Truly with it two days ago?

The problem with that scenario is that Lt Carl Day said he locked the Carcano away in an evidence box in the Identification Bureau at around 2pm, returned to the Depository around 2:45pm, and didn't unlock the evidence box again until around 7pm that evening. It is hard to see how Captain Fritz could have shown Mr Oswald the Carcano during that first interrogation session......

Given that the first Caster rifle mentioned in the Truly interview report above ("a ___________ rifle") was in fact a Mauser, I think it's fair to ask: Was Mr Oswald shown a Mauser rifle during that first interrogation?

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So!

------------Mr Oswald is shown the rifle and says he saw Mr Truly holding it (or one just like it) two days ago

------------Mr Truly confirms that he held a deer hunting "_________________ rifle" belonging to Mr Warren Caster

------------Mr Caster confirms the story and fills in the missing part: "a .30-06 sporterized Mauser"

------------Mr Arnold Rowland sees a rifle in the hands of a man on the sixth floor some 15 minutes before the assassination and says it looks like "a 30-odd (aught) size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope"

------------For the first hours after the assassination, all DPD tell the world about is a Mauser rifle found at the scene of the crime

Interesting!

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Did Captain Fritz show Mr Oswald a Mauser?
« Reply #139 on: February 17, 2021, 11:06:45 PM »
So!

------------Mr Oswald is shown the rifle and says he saw Mr Truly holding it (or one just like it) two days ago

------------Mr Truly confirms that he held a deer hunting "_________________ rifle" belonging to Mr Warren Caster

------------Mr Caster confirms the story and fills in the missing part: "a .30-06 sporterized Mauser"

------------Mr Arnold Rowland sees a rifle in the hands of a man on the sixth floor some 15 minutes before the assassination and says it looks like "a 30-odd (aught) size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope"

------------For the first hours after the assassination, all DPD tell the world about is a Mauser rifle found at the scene of the crime

Interesting!

Add to that Congressman Roberts' exclamation at the time of the shooting - " "That is a .30-06."