Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Richard Smith]

His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.

So you keep claiming, but you haven't go a shred of evidence for it. But then, what else is new for you?

The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Indeed, only those who had been on the 6th floor and most of them were still in the building. Frazier wasn't.

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.  Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.  He even heard it on the radio.  The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.  He knew that.  He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.  Frazier is the Ned Spangler of the JFK assassination.  He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.  So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior.   As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence. 

[Walt Cakebread]

Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Lee was arrested at about 1:50.....When was the name Oswald first broadcast ?     I doubt that Frazier heard Lee's name as a suspect on his car radio.

[Martin Weidmann]

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.  Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.  He even heard it on the radio.  The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.  He knew that.  He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.  Frazier is the Ned Spangler of the JFK assassination.  He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.  So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior.   As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

Again, a lot of words but not a shred of evidence for this BS

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.

Again, Oswald was arrested for the Tippit murder and Frazier only knew his first name. During the time between leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM and his detention at the hospital at 6 PM his only source of information was his car radio, which had only told him that somebody named Oswald had been arrested. At that time Frazier did not know Lee's surname. Yet, you, rather foolishly, claim that during that at that time Frazier not only knew DPD was looking for him but that it was in connection with Oswald (who at that time wasn't charged with JFK's murder) and that he went to his sister to concoct a story.

Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.

By 9 PM, yes, but how did that give him an opportunity to synchronize his story with his sister? It didn't!

This is just more tossing and turning on your part. First you claimed that prior to his detention Frazier already knew that DPD wanted to talk to him in connection with Oswald and that this was the reason he went to his sister to concoct a story. Now, you've got him being aware of a potential problem at 9 PM and at the police station, with no way to concoct any kind of story with Randle. So, which of the two is it?

The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.

Again, that night, yes. But not during the daytime. They wanted to talk to him as one of the workers who had been on the 6th floor. Just like Fritz, initially, wanted to talk to Oswald because he was missing from the TSBD line up.

He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.

Really? Did he tell you that?

He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.

Says you with flawed hindsight.

So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior. As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

And there it is, the real reason for all the speculation, twisting and turning and assumptions. You just want to argue that Frazier had instant knowledge of Oswald's guilt that he lied to investigators from day one and has been lying ever since.

Ain't it nice when you can just make up stuff that fits your narrative.

[Martin Weidmann]

Lee was arrested at about 1:50.....When was the name Oswald first broadcast ?     I doubt that Frazier heard Lee's name as a suspect on his car radio.

Lee told the HSCA that he heard that a guy named Oswald had been arrested, but he didn't know Lee's surname.

The only source of information available to Frazier between leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM and his detention at the hospital, at around 6 PM, would have been his car radio. It seems unlikely that he heard the news about Oswald's arrest during his trip to Irving, so the only other time he could have heard it would be during the trip from his sister's house to the hospital. A very narrow window indeed.

Yet, "Richard", claims that Frazier went to his sister to get their story straight because he somehow already knew at 1:30 PM or shortly thereafter that DPD would be looking for him in connection with Oswald (who at that time had not even been arrested).

Go figure!

[Richard Smith]

Again, a lot of words but not a shred of evidence for this BS

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.

Again, Oswald was arrested for the Tippit murder and Frazier only knew his first name. During the time between leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM and his detention at the hospital at 6 PM his only source of information was his car radio, which had only told him that somebody named Oswald had been arrested. At that time Frazier did not know Lee's surname. Yet, you, rather foolishly, claim that during that at that time Frazier not only knew DPD was looking for him but that it was in connection with Oswald (who at that time wasn't charged with JFK's murder) and that he went to his sister to concoct a story.

Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.

By 9 PM, yes, but how did that give him an opportunity to synchronize his story with his sister? It didn't!

This is just more tossing and turning on your part. First you claimed that prior to his detention Frazier already knew that DPD wanted to talk to him in connection with Oswald and that this was the reason he went to his sister to concoct a story. Now, you've got him being aware of a potential problem at 9 PM and at the police station, with no way to concoct any kind of story with Randle. So, which of the two is it?

The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.

Again, that night, yes. But not during the daytime. They wanted to talk to him as one of the workers who had been on the 6th floor. Just like Fritz, initially, wanted to talk to Oswald because he was missing from the TSBD line up.

He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.

Really? Did he tell you that?

He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.

Says you with flawed hindsight.

So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior. As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

And there it is, the real reason for all the speculation, twisting and turning and assumptions. You just want to argue that Frazier had instant knowledge of Oswald's guilt that he lied to investigators from day one and has been lying ever since.

Ain't it nice when you can just make up stuff that fits your narrative.

This is really, really simple.  There's no need for any long winded contrarian mumbo jumbo.  Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.  Try to focus. There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag that could have contained a rifle.  Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern. 

[Walt Cakebread]

This is really, really simple.  There's no need for any long winded contrarian mumbo jumbo.  Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.  Try to focus. There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag that could have contained a rifle.  Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.

NINE HOURS???     The DPD detectives went to the hospital in Irving where Linnie Mae told them Buell was visiting his step father.   That was about two or three hours after Lee had been dragged from the Theater.

[Colin Crow]

Frazier left the TSBD and went home around 1.30. On the way he heard of JFK death on the car radio. He did not go immediately to the Irving hospital. He likely got home around 2pm. It seems likely LMR and his mother were watching assassination coverage according to his HSCA interview. Oswald was first mentioned in the media around 2.40. At that time there were already 6 cops at the Paine's just a few houses away. I suggest that Frazier and his sister "disappeared" for some time to work on a story that would minimise any trouble for him.

According to his HSCA interview at sometime after they left the cops visited his mother at the house and spoke with her.

Anyone want to object to that scenario?

You guys really think he heard Oswald's name on the car radio? How long do you think it took to get to the Irving hospital even if the drove there directly......which he didnt?

[Martin Weidmann]

This is really, really simple.  There's no need for any long winded contrarian mumbo jumbo.  Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.  Try to focus. There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag that could have contained a rifle.  Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.

You, at least implied it

There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.

Nobody argued otherwise.

Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag

So what?

that could have contained a rifle.

No, that's just your preferred version. All Frazier knew is that the bag contained curtain rods and that the bag wasn't long enough to contain a rifle.

Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

No, if he had grounds for concern it would only have been because of the fact that he drove Oswald to work that morning. Frazier did nothing wrong and had no need to concoct a story.

As you are now shifting your position from "he went to Irving to get his story straight with his sister" to "he understood he could be in trouble after he was arrested", you are overlooking one thing.

In the second scenario he did not have an opportunity to get his story straight with his sister, which means that lying to the police could probably get him in bigger trouble than simply telling the truth.

Your desperate attempt to claim that Frazier had reason for concern and thus lied to the police about the size of the bag is just a pathetic attempt to explain away why Frazier (and Randle) estimated the bag at 27". It's pathetic.