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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #688 on: March 12, 2021, 01:13:06 AM »
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So many words.  You suggest Frazier was "arrested" and then argue he had no cause to be concerned about being connected to Oswald.  Comedy gold.  LOL.

There is just one answer for this: You are a complete idiot!

After the line up, from which Oswald was missing, the TSBD staff was dismissed by Shelley. Shortly after that the DPD officers wanted to talk to all the employees who had been on the 6th floor that day. By that time Frazier had left. That's why he was detained at the hospital. It had nothing to do with his connection with Oswald. It wasn't until they brought Frazier to DPD headquarters in Dallas that they started to focus on the paper bag and Oswald.

Btw Fritz wasn't looking for Oswald as a suspect in the murder of JFK either. He wanted him found because he wasn't present at the line up. Oswald was initially arrested as a suspect in Tippit's murder and only after he arrived at the DPD HQ did they realize that the man Fritz wanted to talk to was already in custody.

So many words.

That's just your standard reply for when you have no arguments left to make your case. Whenever you use that pathetic comment it signals the moment when you start running.....
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #688 on: March 12, 2021, 01:13:06 AM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #689 on: March 12, 2021, 02:47:59 AM »
There is just one answer for this: You are a complete idiot!

After the line up, from which Oswald was missing, the TSBD staff was dismissed by Shelley. Shortly after that the DPD officers wanted to talk to all the employees who had been on the 6th floor that day. By that time Frazier had left. That's why he was detained at the hospital. It had nothing to do with his connection with Oswald. It wasn't until they brought Frazier to DPD headquarters in Dallas that they started to focus on the paper bag and Oswald.

Btw Fritz wasn't looking for Oswald as a suspect in the murder of JFK either. He wanted him found because he wasn't present at the line up. Oswald was initially arrested as a suspect in Tippit's murder and only after he arrived at the DPD HQ did they realize that the man Fritz wanted to talk to was already in custody.

So many words.

That's just your standard reply for when you have no arguments left to make your case. Whenever you use that pathetic comment it signals the moment when you start running.....

Totally false.  Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.  And I thought you nuts didn't believe there even was a line up.   Frazier even ate his lunch in the building before leaving.  Get your story straight and get back to us.

Mr. BALL - You stayed there on the job until you were told to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time did they tell you to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was between 1 and 2 there sometime, roughly, I don't know what time it was.
Mr. BALL - Had the police officers come in there and talked to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; they come in and talked to all of us. They asked us to show our proper identification, and then they had us to write our name down and who to get in touch with if they wanted to see us.
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #690 on: March 12, 2021, 02:51:14 AM »
Your ignorance is hangin out a country mile, Rick....  A polygraph test cannot be given to a subject who isn't calm and relaxed....

That's very easy to check....Check it out and perhaps then you won't appear to be so stupid.

Walt always makes up his own assumptions and his own "evidence" to support his phony claim. 

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #691 on: March 12, 2021, 03:24:50 AM »
If Mr Frazier wanted to minimize the trouble he was in, he could have just said 'I didn't notice any package'.

But the Cops told him that Lee Oswald had said that the brown paper sack he carried that morning contained curtain rods.

Did you hear this conversation in a mystical vision, Mr Cakebread?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #692 on: March 12, 2021, 03:54:20 AM »
Totally false.  Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.  And I thought you nuts didn't believe there even was a line up.   Frazier even ate his lunch in the building before leaving.  Get your story straight and get back to us.

Mr. BALL - You stayed there on the job until you were told to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time did they tell you to go home?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was between 1 and 2 there sometime, roughly, I don't know what time it was.
Mr. BALL - Had the police officers come in there and talked to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; they come in and talked to all of us. They asked us to show our proper identification, and then they had us to write our name down and who to get in touch with if they wanted to see us.

Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.

Learn to understand what you are reading, fool. Yes, Frazier was present at the initial line up, but after that he left and then DPD officers decided they wanted to talk to all the employees that had been on the 6th floor that day, which included Frazier. That was the second line up! Because he was no longer at the TSBD, and thus not present at the second line up, officers went to his known address in Irving to pick him up.

Get your story straight and get back to us.

Says the idiot who doesn't even know what the actual story is.
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #693 on: March 12, 2021, 04:19:51 AM »
Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.

Learn to understand what you are reading, fool. Yes, Frazier was present at the initial line up, but after that he left and then DPD officers decided they wanted to talk to all the employees that had been on the 6th floor that day, which included Frazier. That was the second line up! Because he was no longer at the TSBD, and thus not present at the second line up, officers went to his known address in Irving to pick him up.

Get your story straight and get back to us.

Says the idiot who doesn't even know what the actual story is.

Frazier left the TSBD and went home around 1.30. On the way he heard of JFK death on the car radio. He did not go immediately to the Irving hospital. He likely got home around 2pm. It seems likely LMR and his mother were watching assassination coverage according to his HSCA interview. Oswald was first mentioned in the media around 2.40. At that time there were already 6 cops at the Paine's just a few houses away. I suggest that Frazier and his sister "disappeared" for some time to work on a story that would minimise any trouble for him.

According to his HSCA interview at sometime after they left the cops visited his mother at the house and spoke with her.

Anyone want to object to that scenario?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #694 on: March 12, 2021, 03:04:59 PM »
Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.

Learn to understand what you are reading, fool. Yes, Frazier was present at the initial line up, but after that he left and then DPD officers decided they wanted to talk to all the employees that had been on the 6th floor that day, which included Frazier. That was the second line up! Because he was no longer at the TSBD, and thus not present at the second line up, officers went to his known address in Irving to pick him up.

Get your story straight and get back to us.

Says the idiot who doesn't even know what the actual story is.

Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #695 on: March 12, 2021, 04:08:34 PM »
Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald. 

Indeed

He was given permission to leave.

I never said otherwise

The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.

And your evidence for this is what exactly? Or is it just another one of your ''obvious facts''?

You do know that Oswald was arrested for Tippit's murder and not JFK's, right? Only after he was brought into the station did they discover that they already had the man in custody who Fritz wanted to talk to because he was missing at the first TSBD line up. Oswald was not charged with JFK's murder until shortly before the midnight "press conference".

Yet here you are claiming that Frazier, shortly after leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM, should have known that DPD officers wanted to talk to him in connection with Oswald.

By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.

Prove it.

Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work. 

BS, during the initial line up all the workers gave their personal details to the officers and nothing else. They did not interview anybody. If they had done, the workers wouldn't have been able to leave so quickly. Frazier left the building at around 1:30 PM

His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.

So you keep claiming, but you haven't go a shred of evidence for it. But then, what else is new for you?

He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody.

Indeed, but that was for the murder of Tippit, not JFK and Frazier told the HSCA that he only know Oswald's first name at that time, so he had no way of connecting the dots and in fact didn't!

The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Indeed, only those who had been on the 6th floor and most of them were still in the building. Frazier wasn't.
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