Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Walt Cakebread]

Frazier passed a polygraph test. But you are making up your own stories as you go along.

Your ignorance is hangin out a country mile, Rick....  A polygraph test cannot be given to a subject who isn't calm and relaxed....

That's very easy to check....Check it out and perhaps then you won't appear to be so stupid.

[Martin Weidmann]

You entertain every manner of outlandish, baseless counter possibility to any evidence that links Oswald to the assassination.  But here you suddenly take long winded exception with an obvious point.  That Frazier would want to distance himself from the implication that he knew or perhaps should have known that Oswald's behavior was suspicious that morning.  That's "obvious" unless you believe that Frazier wanted to go to jail or be forever blamed by public opinion for not being more suspicious of Oswald's out of character behavior.

Again, I'm not saying that Frazier should have found his behavior suspicious only that there were grounds for Frazier to be concerned since he had driven the assassin and his weapon to the crime scene.  And you don't believe Frazier had grounds to know that Oswald was the assassin by the time he was taken in and interviewed by the DPD!  Hilarious.  Oswald had been arrested by that point.  Frazier indicated that he heard that "Lee Harvey Oswald" had been arrested in connection with the assassination on his car radio.  Frazier may have been surprised that they wanted to talk to him again but there is no doubt that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Even if he didn't, he quickly would have become aware of that since that is what the DPD started asking him about.  Good grief.

You entertain every manner of outlandish, baseless counter possibility to any evidence that links Oswald to the assassination.

No. Unlike you, I have an open mind and entertain every possibility, including the one where Oswald was the lone gunman. I just want to see conclusive evidence rather than your usual speculations and assumptions.

But here you suddenly take long winded exception with an obvious point. 

Stop whining. If you have a case to make, present it, but don't give me a bunch of selfserving BS speculations.

That Frazier would want to distance himself from the implication that he knew or perhaps should have known that Oswald's behavior was suspicious that morning.  That's "obvious" unless you believe that Frazier wanted to go to jail or be forever blamed by public opinion for not being more suspicious of Oswald's out of character behavior.

There is nothing obvious about it. Why would Frazier fear that he would go to jail or be blamed by anybody when all he did was drive a co-worker to work?

Again, I'm not saying that Frazier should have found his behavior suspicious only that there were grounds for Frazier to be concerned since he had driven the assassin and his weapon to the crime scene.

Complete BS. If you go down this rabbit hole, Ruth Paine should also be concerned because she allegedly stored and concealed the murder weapon in her garage.

And you don't believe Frazier had grounds to know that Oswald was the assassin by the time he was taken in and interviewed by the DPD!  Hilarious.

What grounds? Frazier said in his HSCA interview that he only found out that Oswald had been arrested when the officers who detained him at the hospital brought him to DPD headquarters in Dallas. So, on what grounds would Frazier know that "Oswald was the assassin"? Just because he carried a paper bag that morning, which as far as Frazier knew contained curtain rods.... Yeah, that makes sense.... pfffffffff

Frazier indicated that he heard that "Lee Harvey Oswald" had been arrested in connection with the assassination on his car radio

Yes, but he also indicated that he did not know Lee's last name until after the assassination, and he did not put two and two together. With hindsight you may think that he should have put it together, but that's only your bias opinion.

Frazier may have been surprised that they wanted to talk to him again but there is no doubt that he knew Oswald was a suspect. 

No doubt? In your mind probably... I don't believe for a second that Frazier knew that Oswald was a suspect, even after they brought him back to Dallas. All he knew at that moment was that Oswald had been arrested. He may well have thought it was for the same reason as they arrested him, for not being present when the police wanted to talk to all TSBD workers who had been on the 6th floor.

And what do you mean by "that they wanted to talk to him again"? DPD officers had not talked to Frazier at all prior to his arrest at the hospital!

Even if he didn't, he quickly would have become aware of that since that is what the DPD started asking him about.

This is probably true, but it means that Frazier had no way of synchronizing his story with his sister prior to being interviewed and polygraphed at DPD HQ on Friday evening, which of course blows your entire theory (that he went to Irving to get his story straight with his sister) out of the water!

Good grief.

Indeed

[John Iacoletti]

You entertain every manner of outlandish, baseless counter possibility to any evidence that links Oswald to the assassination.  But here you suddenly take long winded exception with an obvious point.

When "Richard" speculates, it's "obvious".  When somebody else speculates, it's "outlandish".

[Alan Ford]

If Mr Frazier wanted to minimize the trouble he was in, he could have just said 'I didn't notice any package'.

His description of a ~27-inch package is most sensibly explained by the inference that he saw a ~27-inch package.

And the fact that two curtain rods were documented as having been submitted for fingerprint testing for Mr Oswald's prints 3/15/64 and released back 3/24/64 is most sensibly explained by the inference that two curtain rods were found in the Depository building after the assassination.

 

[Walt Cakebread]

If Mr Frazier wanted to minimize the trouble he was in, he could have just said 'I didn't notice any package'.

His description of a ~27-inch package is most sensibly explained by the inference that he saw a ~27-inch package.

And the fact that two curtain rods were documented as having been submitted for fingerprint testing for Mr Oswald's prints 3/15/64 and released back 3/24/64 is most sensibly explained by the inference that two curtain rods were found in the Depository building after the assassination.

 

If Mr Frazier wanted to minimize the trouble he was in, he could have just said 'I didn't notice any package'.

But the Cops told him that Lee Oswald had said that the brown paper sack he carried that morning contained curtain rods.  Buell was just a dumb kid and scared to death so he saw no danger in agreeing with "Lee's Story.".....   But Lee had never said anything about curtain rods.    But How was Buell to know ..... He believed the cops and he still does. 

[Richard Smith]

You entertain every manner of outlandish, baseless counter possibility to any evidence that links Oswald to the assassination.

No. Unlike you, I have an open mind and entertain every possibility, including the one where Oswald was the lone gunman. I just want to see conclusive evidence rather than your usual speculations and assumptions.

But here you suddenly take long winded exception with an obvious point. 

Stop whining. If you have a case to make, present it, but don't give me a bunch of selfserving BS speculations.

That Frazier would want to distance himself from the implication that he knew or perhaps should have known that Oswald's behavior was suspicious that morning.  That's "obvious" unless you believe that Frazier wanted to go to jail or be forever blamed by public opinion for not being more suspicious of Oswald's out of character behavior.

There is nothing obvious about it. Why would Frazier fear that he would go to jail or be blamed by anybody when all he did was drive a co-worker to work?

Again, I'm not saying that Frazier should have found his behavior suspicious only that there were grounds for Frazier to be concerned since he had driven the assassin and his weapon to the crime scene.

Complete BS. If you go down this rabbit hole, Ruth Paine should also be concerned because she allegedly stored and concealed the murder weapon in her garage.

And you don't believe Frazier had grounds to know that Oswald was the assassin by the time he was taken in and interviewed by the DPD!  Hilarious.

What grounds? Frazier said in his HSCA interview that he only found out that Oswald had been arrested when the officers who detained him at the hospital brought him to DPD headquarters in Dallas. So, on what grounds would Frazier know that "Oswald was the assassin"? Just because he carried a paper bag that morning, which as far as Frazier knew contained curtain rods.... Yeah, that makes sense.... pfffffffff

Frazier indicated that he heard that "Lee Harvey Oswald" had been arrested in connection with the assassination on his car radio

Yes, but he also indicated that he did not know Lee's last name until after the assassination, and he did not put two and two together. With hindsight you may think that he should have put it together, but that's only your bias opinion.

Frazier may have been surprised that they wanted to talk to him again but there is no doubt that he knew Oswald was a suspect. 

No doubt? In your mind probably... I don't believe for a second that Frazier knew that Oswald was a suspect, even after they brought him back to Dallas. All he knew at that moment was that Oswald had been arrested. He may well have thought it was for the same reason as they arrested him, for not being present when the police wanted to talk to all TSBD workers who had been on the 6th floor.

And what do you mean by "that they wanted to talk to him again"? DPD officers had not talked to Frazier at all prior to his arrest at the hospital!

Even if he didn't, he quickly would have become aware of that since that is what the DPD started asking him about.

This is probably true, but it means that Frazier had no way of synchronizing his story with his sister prior to being interviewed and polygraphed at DPD HQ on Friday evening, which of course blows your entire theory (that he went to Irving to get his story straight with his sister) out of the water!

Good grief.

Indeed

So many words.  You suggest Frazier was "arrested" and then argue he had no cause to be concerned about being connected to Oswald.  Comedy gold.  LOL. 

[Martin Weidmann]

So many words.  You suggest Frazier was "arrested" and then argue he had no cause to be concerned about being connected to Oswald.  Comedy gold.  LOL.

There is just one answer for this: You are a complete idiot!

After the line up, from which Oswald was missing, the TSBD staff was dismissed by Shelley. Shortly after that the DPD officers wanted to talk to all the employees who had been on the 6th floor that day. By that time Frazier had left. That's why he was detained at the hospital. It had nothing to do with his connection with Oswald. It wasn't until they brought Frazier to DPD headquarters in Dallas that they started to focus on the paper bag and Oswald.

Btw Fritz wasn't looking for Oswald as a suspect in the murder of JFK either. He wanted him found because he wasn't present at the line up. Oswald was initially arrested as a suspect in Tippit's murder and only after he arrived at the DPD HQ did they realize that the man Fritz wanted to talk to was already in custody.

So many words.

That's just your standard reply for when you have no arguments left to make your case. Whenever you use that pathetic comment it signals the moment when you start running.....