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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #665 on: March 10, 2021, 12:56:12 AM »
So, you're basically just accusing Frazier of obstruction of the investigation by obfuscating the facts as well as outright lying and then continuing to lie for the rest of his life... Got it.

You wouldn't just be speculating to fit the "facts" into your preferred narrative, would you now?

Wait, I just realized who I am talking to.... forget I asked!

"Alternative facts" is Richard's specialty.   

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #666 on: March 10, 2021, 11:17:08 AM »
Here we hear the lie.....Frazier claiming he did not go home after leaving the TSBD. Compare to his HSCA interview where he claimed more than once he went to his sister's home first.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?287933-101/kennedy-assassination-buell-wesley-frazier-part-2

25 minute mark.

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #667 on: March 10, 2021, 02:46:39 PM »
but he had some grounds to be suspicious.

That's nothing but 20/20 hindsight.....Monday morning quarterbacking based on the tale that the DPD developed.

Good grief.  Again, it's not hindsight.  You seem incapable of understanding.  I'm not suggesting that Frazier should have known that Oswald was a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that morning.  Can you understand that?  What I am suggesting is that AFTER Frazier knew he had driven a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that all his interests lay in making it appear that he had no cause to be suspicious.  So it's difficult to say how much of his testimony was influenced by a desire to downplay the events.  This is an obvious point.  It requires no hindsight whatsoever.  It's all the more rich coming from kooks who have suggested that Frazier and his sister were in on the conspiracy and made up the long bag story to implicate Oswald.   

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #668 on: March 10, 2021, 07:03:24 PM »
Here we hear the lie.....Frazier claiming he did not go home after leaving the TSBD. Compare to his HSCA interview where he claimed more than once he went to his sister's home first.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?287933-101/kennedy-assassination-buell-wesley-frazier-part-2

25 minute mark.

BWF says he leaves TSBD sometime after the roll call.
Drives to hospital and hears about JFK death on the way.
Arrives at hospital and is there about 15 mins before Rose and Stovall show up. 2:45pm at the latest.
He is adamant about these details as he is questioned quite thoroughly about them.

The problem is that the first anyone hears about BWF being at a hospital is about 5pm when Linnie Mae tells Adamcik.
After everyone returns to City Hall, Rose and Stovall testify that BWF located at a clinic in Irving and get in touch with detective McCabe (about 6pm) who collects BWF and takes him to Irving PD which is where Rose and Stovall collect him from.

BWF is not a very good witness. There's more holes in his story than there is story.

Whatever the case, there is no way BWF and LMR can cook up the long bag story as BWF has left TSBD before the long bag is discovered.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2021, 07:04:28 PM by Dan O'meara »

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #669 on: March 10, 2021, 07:48:02 PM »
Good grief.  Again, it's not hindsight.  You seem incapable of understanding.  I'm not suggesting that Frazier should have known that Oswald was a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that morning.  Can you understand that?  What I am suggesting is that AFTER Frazier knew he had driven a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that all his interests lay in making it appear that he had no cause to be suspicious.  So it's difficult to say how much of his testimony was influenced by a desire to downplay the events.  This is an obvious point.  It requires no hindsight whatsoever.  It's all the more rich coming from kooks who have suggested that Frazier and his sister were in on the conspiracy and made up the long bag story to implicate Oswald.   

What I am suggesting is that AFTER Frazier knew he had driven a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that all his interests lay in making it appear that he had no cause to be suspicious.

That all depends on when exactly Frazier (and Randle also) learned that Oswald was the main suspect. I seriously doubt that he (they) knew this when he drove back to his sister in Irving and subsequently to the hospital. Frazier left the TSBD, at around 1:30 PM, before Oswald was even arrested! It is entirely possible that he did not find out about Oswald's arrest until after he was arrested at the hospital, which of course means that he couldn't have synchronized his story with his sister.

So it's difficult to say how much of his testimony was influenced by a desire to downplay the events. This is an obvious point.

Hardly obvious, as he couldn't have known, in those early hours, that the size of the paper bag Oswald had carried and the implications of that, would be such an issue, until the DPD officers asked him about it. That didn't happen until around midnight, when he was being polygraphed. It was at that time that he rejected the bag found at the TSBD as the bag he had seen Oswald carry.

It requires no hindsight whatsoever.

Oh yes it does. And revisionism as well.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2021, 12:11:07 AM by Martin Weidmann »

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #670 on: March 11, 2021, 12:30:55 AM »
What I am suggesting is that AFTER Frazier knew he had driven a nut job who was carrying a rifle to assassinate JFK that all his interests lay in making it appear that he had no cause to be suspicious.

That all depends on when exactly Frazier learned that Oswald was the main suspect. I seriously doubt that he knew this when he drove back to his sister in Irving and subsequently to the hospital. Frazier left the TSBD before Oswald was even arrested! It is entirely possible that he did not find out about Oswald's arrest until after he was arrested at the hospital.



That's a bizarre response.  Frazier's DPD interrogation and WC testimony obviously took place AFTER he realized that Oswald was a suspect.   Once they haul him into the DPD he obviously knows that he is caught up in the assassination investigation via his connection to Oswald.  What difference does it make what he thought before he knew Oswald was a suspect?  It is obvious that Frazier would want to distance himself from any conclusion that he had a basis to suspect that Oswald was up to something that morning.   So if his story is slanted then it is in the direction of downplaying anything suspicious about Oswald's behavior.  It doesn't seem unreasonable, for example, that he might have discussed the top news story of the day with Oswald (i.e. JFK's visit to Dallas).  Particularly since JFK's motorcade route went right by their building.  Frazier seemed afire about JFK's visit later that morning since he mentioned in an interview that he approached Truly and asked for permission to go outside to watch it pass.  But two good ole boys drove to work in silence.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #671 on: March 11, 2021, 01:04:50 AM »
That's right.  There are no "facts" in the contrarian world.  Only endless possibilities.  Maybe all the evidence was planted.  Maybe everyone lied.  Maybe Oswald was just a good ole boy shuffling from one disaster to another like Mr. Magoo.  Maybe.  It's possible.

 :D

Like you have anything more than "maybe" and "possibly".