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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #602 on: February 26, 2021, 03:03:48 AM »
So many rabbit holes.  There are no "assumptions" here.  This is based upon the testimony of those present at the actual events and the physical evidence.  Oswald did not carry any curtain rods to work for the reasons discussed.  We do not need a time machine, witness with x-ray vision, or the need to eliminate every possible object on planet Earth to reach a reasonable conclusion about the contents of Oswald's bag.  Oswald's universe was finite and limited to the Paine household on the night before the assassination.  He carries a long, narrow package to work that morning.  The object therein must come from the Paine household.  What is missing from the Paine household the next day that is long and narrow?  A rifle.  What is found at the TSBD that came from the Paine residence?  A rifle. Who did this rifle belong too?  Oswald.  Where is it found?  At Oswald's place of employment.  This is not difficult.  There is no real controversy about Oswald's ownership of the rifle or that he carried it to the TSBD on the 11.22.63 beyond the outlier CTer kook nonsense.  It is an acknowledged fact based upon the overwhelming facts and known circumstances.  Just playing contrarian and saying it ain't so over and over again is weak sauce.

There are no "assumptions" here.

Oh yes there are. You just call them "evidence"

This is based upon the testimony of those present at the actual events and the physical evidence.

No it isn't. There is no testimony whatsoever that connects the bag found at the TSBD to the bag Oswald carried that morning.

Btw, what exactly is "based upon the testimony" and "physical evidence" if not mere assumptions?

Oswald did not carry any curtain rods to work for the reasons discussed.

That's an assumption

We do not need a time machine, witness with x-ray vision, or the need to eliminate every possible object on planet Earth to reach a reasonable conclusion about the contents of Oswald's bag.

Translation of "reach a reasonable conclusion" = a speculative assumption based on bias

The object therein must come from the Paine household.

Why? Another assumption

What is missing from the Paine household the next day that is long and narrow?  A rifle.

Multiple assumptions based on no evidence whatsoever;

Assumption 1: There was a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/21/63
Assumption 2: That the rifle was a Mannlicher–Carcano
Assumption 3: Oswald took that rifle

What is found at the TSBD that came from the Paine residence?  A rifle.

Another assumption for which there is not a shred of evidence. There is no evidence whatsoever to determine where the MC rifle found at the TSBD came from.

Who did this rifle belong too?  Oswald.

Says who?

There is no real controversy about Oswald's ownership of the rifle or that he carried it to the TSBD on the 11.22.63 beyond the outlier CTer kook nonsense.  It is an acknowledged fact based upon the overwhelming facts and known circumstances.

BS

Just playing contrarian and saying it ain't so over and over again is weak sauce.

Then prove me wrong by providing some actual evidence rather than all sorts of wild speculations based on nothing but your own bias.

« Last Edit: February 26, 2021, 03:25:37 PM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #603 on: February 26, 2021, 03:46:16 AM »
So many rabbit holes.  There are no "assumptions" here.

Who are you trying to kid?  It nothing but one giant assumption.

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  This is based upon the testimony of those present at the actual events and the physical evidence.  Oswald did not carry any curtain rods to work for the reasons discussed.

You don't know what he carried to work.

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He carries a long, narrow package to work that morning.  The object therein must come from the Paine household.  What is missing from the Paine household the next day that is long and narrow?  A rifle.  What is found at the TSBD that came from the Paine residence?  A rifle.

Sorry, "Richard".  You don't know a rifle was at the Paine residence the night before.  Or ever.

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Who did this rifle belong too?  Oswald.

LOL.

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There is no real controversy about Oswald's ownership of the rifle or that he carried it to the TSBD on the 11.22.63 beyond the outlier CTer kook nonsense.  It is an acknowledged fact based upon the overwhelming facts and known circumstances.

Nope.  It's another "Richard Smith" speculation and nothing more.

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Just playing contrarian and saying it ain't so over and over again is weak sauce.

And calling your made-up nonsense "facts" and "evidence" over and over again is really weak sauce.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2021, 03:47:34 AM by John Iacoletti »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #604 on: February 26, 2021, 03:55:03 AM »
It is well known that the curtain rods were found on November 22, 1963. They were found between some boxes on the sixth floor of the TSBD in the NW area near the stairs. They were Italian made and were fully assembled into a single unit. They had been designed to provide curtains for Allies in WWII and Oswald used them for a similar purpose.

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Oswald denied bringing curtain rods to work

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #605 on: February 26, 2021, 03:28:16 PM »
hahahaha
Oswald denied bringing curtain rods to work

Andrew's sarcasm has gone completely over your head, hasn't it?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #606 on: February 26, 2021, 09:27:22 PM »
The only witness I can think of is Rowland Arnold describing the elderly
“negro” man at SE 5th foot window wearing a plaid shirt , red and green. The man  was probably Bonnie Ray Williams although it’s questionable if the young BRW could appear as elderly to Rowland because of dust fallen on his hair.

BRW could appear as elderly to Rowland because of dust fallen on his hair.

That's an interesting idea Mr M,.....  But I believe that Rowland said the man that he saw was on the sixth floor, and not hanging out of a window.... As BRW was.    And since you've opened that can-o-worms.....Can you offer ant plausible reason that  BRW would have received that "cement and piece of brick, and some white powder " on his head.

P.S. please don't cite the silly WC explanation .......

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #607 on: February 27, 2021, 07:47:18 AM »
And you know this how?

Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?

a) you don't know that this was all his money
b) you don't know whether or not he would still want to have an apartment instead of renting a room

There is none.

The reason for alternate explanations is to counter the irrational notion that leaving a wedding ring behind CAN ONLY MEAN that he was planning to shoot the president.  That's patently absurd.

"Reasonably intelligent people" defined as those who agree with Steve Galbraith's assumptions.

Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?
>This is supposed to be evidence that he left his ring and $170.00 behind, Slick.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #608 on: February 27, 2021, 04:13:22 PM »
Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?
>This is supposed to be evidence that he left his ring and $170.00 behind, Slick.
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This is supposed to be evidence that he left his ring and $170.00 behind, Slick.

I assume there's no possibility that he simply forgot those items .....  There has to be some sinister motive ...right?