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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #592 on: February 25, 2021, 06:33:05 PM »
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That's quite an elaborate cover up.  Oswald would have to take wrapping paper from his building, hide it on his person, make a giant bag out of it, and then carry it to work all as a cover story for his domestic problems for "Gomer" Frazier who had forgotten all about the curtain rod story until he saw the bag and didn't give a fig about Oswald's personal life.

...and your evidence that Oswald took wrapping paper from his building, hid it on his person, made a giant bag out of it, and then carried it to work is . . .?

Oh yeah, you don't have any.

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If Oswald did not carry any curtain rods as appears to be the case, then he lied to Frazier about the contents of his bag.  He had something else in the bag that he considered incriminatory.

"Richard" often confuses his own personal speculation bus with "evidence".

"logical conclusion".  LOL.

"belonging to Oswald".  LOL.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #592 on: February 25, 2021, 06:33:05 PM »


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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #593 on: February 25, 2021, 06:39:45 PM »
The Oswald defenders tie themselves up in absurdities with their defense of their man. The excuse here is that he wanted curtain rods for an apartment that he hadn't even rented yet. How did he know the new apartment needed curtain rods? Answer: he couldn't. He hadn't even rented one yet or even looked for one.

And you know this how?

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Remember that he left his wedding ring and $170 - nearly all of his money - with Marina when he left the morning of the assassination. Why did he do this?: The Oswald defenders say he was splitting up with her. He was moving on.

Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?

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And if he's getting an apartment he's going to need his money. Every apartment I've rented required a security deposit - usually a month's rent or another fee. But he can't get that apartment since he left his money back with Marina.

a) you don't know that this was all his money
b) you don't know whether or not he would still want to have an apartment instead of renting a room

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It's all illogical and inconsistent and is a desperate attempt to wish away the evidence indicating that he brought his rifle in the bag.

There is none.

The reason for alternate explanations is to counter the irrational notion that leaving a wedding ring behind CAN ONLY MEAN that he was planning to shoot the president.  That's patently absurd.

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This may work with one juror in a trial. But it's not going to work with reasonably intelligent people who aren't devoted to defending this miserable man.

"Reasonably intelligent people" defined as those who agree with Steve Galbraith's assumptions.
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #594 on: February 25, 2021, 06:44:11 PM »
Now tell us how heavy curtain rods or a small lunch would be. The gun bag package was 7-8lbs or so and yes, would be awkward to carry in an awkward manner by the average citizen. But Oswald was young & fit, carrying (often heavy) boxes of books around all day. A guilty Oswald would have every reason to mask the profile of the weapon no matter how uncomfortable his method-of-carry might be during those few moments as he hurried to get the package out of sight.

"hurried to get the package out of sight".  LOL.  You sure like to make things up, don't you?

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Oswald's movements as described by Randle as he approached do not reveal whether-or-not elbow bend factored in to the point that the 34.8 length would fit the bill, like it does in real time with my own 34.8" device.

So stop pretending that Randle's description of how he carried the package tells you anything different from her own length estimate.  It doesn't.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #595 on: February 25, 2021, 06:56:37 PM »
From "Marina and Lee":

"Marina later made a terrible discovery [after the police left from their search of the Paine's home]. She happened to glance at the bureau and saw that, again by a miracle of oversight, the police had left another of her possessions behind. It was a delicate demitasse cup of pale blue-green with violets and a slender golden rim that had belonged to her grandmother. It was so thin that the light glowed through it as if it were parchment. Marina looked inside. There lay Lee's wedding ring.

"Oh, no", she thought, and heart sank again. Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs. She had seen him wearing it the night before......"

Again: He took it off and placed it in Marina's demitasse cup. And he left nearly all of his money. Marina said he would leave a few dollars for her on Monday when he returned to his rooming house. But not $170. And it wasn't Monday that he left her the money. It was the day of the assassination. Even though, she said, he told her he was going to see her on Saturday.

No, for the Oswald defenders, it's NOT proof he shot JFK. No one has made that claim of proof. But it is, as Marina said, acts that were extraordinary for him.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #596 on: February 25, 2021, 07:40:43 PM »
From "Marina and Lee":

"Marina later made a terrible discovery [after the police left from their search of the Paine's home]. She happened to glance at the bureau and saw that, again by a miracle of oversight, the police had left another of her possessions behind. It was a delicate demitasse cup of pale blue-green with violets and a slender golden rim that had belonged to her grandmother. It was so thin that the light glowed through it as if it were parchment. Marina looked inside. There lay Lee's wedding ring.

"Oh, no", she thought, and heart sank again. Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs. She had seen him wearing it the night before......"

Again: He took it off and placed it in Marina's demitasse cup. And he left nearly all of his money. Marina said he would leave a few dollars for her on Monday when he returned to his rooming house. But not $170. And it wasn't Monday that he left her the money. It was the day of the assassination. Even though, she said, he told her he was going to see her on Saturday.

No, for the Oswald defenders, it's NOT proof he shot JFK. No one has made that claim of proof. But it is, as Marina said, acts that were extraordinary for him.

Finding out that your wife does not want to live with you again and thus concluding that your marriage is over is also not an every day event in a person's life. An extraordinary event causes extraordinary behavior.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #597 on: February 25, 2021, 08:42:27 PM »
And you know this how?

Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?

a) you don't know that this was all his money
b) you don't know whether or not he would still want to have an apartment instead of renting a room

There is none.

The reason for alternate explanations is to counter the irrational notion that leaving a wedding ring behind CAN ONLY MEAN that he was planning to shoot the president.  That's patently absurd.

"Reasonably intelligent people" defined as those who agree with Steve Gailbraith's assumptions.

Is this supposed to be evidence of murder?

It's good enough for simple minds......

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #598 on: February 25, 2021, 09:42:26 PM »
From "Marina and Lee":

"Marina later made a terrible discovery [after the police left from their search of the Paine's home]. She happened to glance at the bureau and saw that, again by a miracle of oversight, the police had left another of her possessions behind. It was a delicate demitasse cup of pale blue-green with violets and a slender golden rim that had belonged to her grandmother. It was so thin that the light glowed through it as if it were parchment. Marina looked inside. There lay Lee's wedding ring.

"Oh, no", she thought, and heart sank again. Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs. She had seen him wearing it the night before......"

Again: He took it off and placed it in Marina's demitasse cup. And he left nearly all of his money. Marina said he would leave a few dollars for her on Monday when he returned to his rooming house. But not $170. And it wasn't Monday that he left her the money. It was the day of the assassination. Even though, she said, he told her he was going to see her on Saturday.

No, for the Oswald defenders, it's NOT proof he shot JFK. No one has made that claim of proof. But it is, as Marina said, acts that were extraordinary for him.


Priscilla Johnson McMillan spun quite a yarn in 1977 didn't she?  Marina and Ruth couldn't even agree on who it was who found the ring, or when.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #599 on: February 25, 2021, 09:50:59 PM »
From "Marina and Lee":

"Marina later made a terrible discovery [after the police left from their search of the Paine's home]. She happened to glance at the bureau and saw that, again by a miracle of oversight, the police had left another of her possessions behind. It was a delicate demitasse cup of pale blue-green with violets and a slender golden rim that had belonged to her grandmother. It was so thin that the light glowed through it as if it were parchment. Marina looked inside. There lay Lee's wedding ring.

"Oh, no", she thought, and heart sank again. Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs. She had seen him wearing it the night before......"

Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs.

Again: He took it off and placed it in Marina's demitasse cup. And he left nearly all of his money. Marina said he would leave a few dollars for her on Monday when he returned to his rooming house. But not $170. And it wasn't Monday that he left her the money. It was the day of the assassination. Even though, she said, he told her he was going to see her on Saturday.

No, for the Oswald defenders, it's NOT proof he shot JFK. No one has made that claim of proof. But it is, as Marina said, acts that were extraordinary for him.

From "Marina and Lee":

"Marina later made a terrible discovery [after the police left from their search of the Paine's home]. She happened to glance at the bureau and saw that, again by a miracle of oversight, the police had left another of her possessions behind. It was a delicate demitasse cup of pale blue-green with violets and a slender golden rim that had belonged to her grandmother. It was so thin that the light glowed through it as if it were parchment. Marina looked inside. There lay Lee's wedding ring.


Watta CROCK!....

Lee never took his wedding ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs.

Lee never took his Marine corps ring off, not even on his grimiest manual jobs.  Now I ask you ....What kinda turncoat Marine would continue to wear an emblem of an organization that he allegedly hated ...hmmmmm?