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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #552 on: February 22, 2021, 12:45:22 AM »
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Then how do you explain this quote:

Mr. BALL - The paper, was the color of the paper, that you would get in a grocery store, is that it, a bag in a grocery store?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. You have seen, not a real light color but you know normally, the normal color about the same color, you have seen these kinds of heavy duty bags you know like you obtain from the grocery store, something like that, about the same color of that, paper sack you get there.

That's not contradictory.  He said the same color as the heavy duty bags like you obtain from the grocery store.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #553 on: February 22, 2021, 12:48:55 AM »
When exactly did somebody write the serial number on Waldman 07? Do you know?

We could perhaps settle all this by looking at the original microfilm and seeing if any other order on the reel had a serial number handwritten in on the "order blank" form.

Oh wait, we CAN'T.  It's "missing".

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #554 on: February 24, 2021, 03:13:48 AM »
Oswald already had curtain rods installed in his room according to his landlady and the rods are shown in this photo. What would be the need for him to be carrying rods around in a bag to work or needing new rods to be installed?


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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #555 on: February 24, 2021, 04:01:22 AM »
Oswald already had curtain rods installed in his room according to his landlady and the rods are shown in this photo. What would be the need for him to be carrying rods around in a bag to work or needing new rods to be installed?

Well, for one thing we don't know what place they would be for.  He and Marina had talked on Thursday evening about getting an apartment.

For another thing:


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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #556 on: February 24, 2021, 04:48:53 PM »
All things in the contrarian fantasy world remain possible.  There are no facts.  Only endless rabbit hole possibilities.  So let us review:
 
-Oswald himself denies carrying any curtain rods. 
-There is no record of any curtain rods ever being found at the TSBD. 
-Truly confirms in Sept. '64 that no one at the TSBD ever found any curtain rods. 
-The acquisition of a couple of curtain rods is not an exigent circumstance necessitating haste.  As a result, there is no apparent reason for Oswald to make a special trip on Thursday to obtain curtain rods when he could have obtained them over the weekend per his usual weekend visit. 
-There is no indication that Oswald needed any curtain rods.  For example, he already has them at his boarding house.
-Oswald did not ask Ruth Paine or Marina about any curtain rods. 
-There is no indication any curtain rods are missing from the Paine household. 
-Oswald does not appear to have had any opportunity to purchase or obtain any such curtain rods from any other source on Thursday night. 

And yet, we should entertain the possibility that his long bag contained curtain rods because no witness had x-ray vision to confirm the contents of his bag.  Wow.   

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #557 on: February 24, 2021, 06:13:41 PM »
All things in the contrarian fantasy world remain possible.  There are no facts.  Only endless rabbit hole possibilities.  So let us review:
 
-Oswald himself denies carrying any curtain rods. 
-There is no record of any curtain rods ever being found at the TSBD. 
-Truly confirms in Sept. '64 that no one at the TSBD ever found any curtain rods. 
-The acquisition of a couple of curtain rods is not an exigent circumstance necessitating haste.  As a result, there is no apparent reason for Oswald to make a special trip on Thursday to obtain curtain rods when he could have obtained them over the weekend per his usual weekend visit. 
-There is no indication that Oswald needed any curtain rods.  For example, he already has them at his boarding house.
-Oswald did not ask Ruth Paine or Marina about any curtain rods. 
-There is no indication any curtain rods are missing from the Paine household. 
-Oswald does not appear to have had any opportunity to purchase or obtain any such curtain rods from any other source on Thursday night. 

And yet, we should entertain the possibility that his long bag contained curtain rods because no witness had x-ray vision to confirm the contents of his bag.  Wow.

And yet, we should entertain the possibility that his long bag contained curtain rods because no witness had x-ray vision to confirm the contents of his bag.  Wow.

No. The content of the bag is of no importance unless it contained a broken down MC rifle. You can speculate all you like, and entertain any possibility, about what could have been in the bag, but the lack of an answer doesn't justify the conclusion that a rifle must have been in there.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #558 on: February 24, 2021, 07:33:34 PM »
And yet, we should entertain the possibility that his long bag contained curtain rods because no witness had x-ray vision to confirm the contents of his bag.  Wow.

No. The content of the bag is of no importance unless it contained a broken down MC rifle. You can speculate all you like, and entertain any possibility, about what could have been in the bag, but the lack of an answer doesn't justify the conclusion that a rifle must have been in there.

If you can accept from the totality of facts and known circumstances that it is extremely unlikely that Oswald carried any curtain rods in his bag, then you are on the road to enlightenment.  The next step on your journey to reality is to ask why Oswald would lie to Frazier about the contents of his bag if it contained some non-incriminating exculpatory item and why he would deny carrying any such long bag to the police if that bag actually existed and could be found in the building to confirm that it did not contain a rifle. 

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« Reply #559 on: February 24, 2021, 08:08:30 PM »
If you can accept from the totality of facts and known circumstances that it is extremely unlikely that Oswald carried any curtain rods in his bag, then you are on the road to enlightenment.  The next step on your journey to reality is to ask why Oswald would lie to Frazier about the contents of his bag if it contained some non-incriminating exculpatory item and why he would deny carrying any such long bag to the police if that bag actually existed and could be found in the building to confirm that it did not contain a rifle.

The next step on your journey to reality is to ask why Oswald would lie to Frazier about the contents of his bag

That's easy. Both Marina and Ruth Paine testified that they believed Oswald came to Irving on Thursday to make up with Marina and persuade her to live with him again. That's not something you share with a 19 year old co-worker, like Frazier. It's far easier to tell a white lie about picking up some curtain rods.

why he would deny carrying any such long bag to the police if that bag actually existed and could be found in the building to confirm that it did not contain a rifle.

First of all, the quality of the answer depends on the quality of the question. In other words, if you ask Oswald what was in the "long bag" when he does not consider the bag long, he will reply with a denial of having carried a long bag. Secondly, Oswald wasn't shown the bag they found at the TSBD, nor was he asked if he had carried a broken down rifle in it, so he had no idea what size bag they were talking about. The interrogation reports are of no value to justify any kind of a conclusion regarding the bag Oswald actually carried and/or it's content.