The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

Despite Charles’ irrational insistence otherwise, “assumption” and “arbitrary” are not mutually exclusive.

I didn’t say that they were. In fact I gave an example of an arbitrary assumption:

Bowles states that his assumption is a rational one. He explains that it is not exact but for practical purposes it is accurate. He explains his methods and reasoning. And he invites others to examine his reasoning and decide for themselves just how accurate they believe it to be.


The selection of one over the others is what makes the assumption arbitrary.


Not no, but hell no. You are wrong and I have been said this many times.

If he had pulled the time out of thin air, THAT would be arbitrary. However, he selected 12:29:10 over the other possibilities after deriving it from other recorded events surrounding that time. THAT is what makes it a rational assumption. There is absolutely nothing arbitrary about it.

I also said that this:

Have you ever heard somebody say that his assumption is not a rational one?

Many times. It is often used for hypothetical scenarios.


You are the one who doesn’t make any sense. The only reason I am continuing this discussion is because it bothers me that you try to spread your misconceptions as correct. They are dead wrong.

Please stop telling lies (or as you seem to prefer, untruths).

[Bill Chapman]

Are you still talking about that? Get over it, will ya... I have!

Iacoletti brought it up, with his calling me a hypocrite
I schooled him on the difference between the two situations

[Walt Cakebread]

Has it been established at what time Elcan saw Oswald? If it was after the Tippit killing, that might help to explain the (apparently) extended time he took to cover what was, purportedly, just a few minutes walk to the TT area.

However, Bugliosi writes:

"But if Oswald was walking back and forth in opposite directions and
going toward Lancaster Boulevard, it would not have been physically
possible for him to reach Tenth and Patton when we know he did."
V. Bugliosi; Page 46 of CD-ROM Endnotes; "Reclaiming History"; c.2007

if Oswald was walking back and forth in opposite directions and going toward Lancaster Boulevard, it would not have been physically possible for him to reach Tenth and Patton when we know he did."

We know he did!!

What is this type of reasoning ?called?

The author assumes something that is not an established FACT ( but he is convinced that it is a true fact) and then draws a conclusion based on his belief.....   It may not be insanity, but it sure as hell is irrational.

[Bill Chapman]

So nobody knows if the fellow said 'before or after' the Tippit killing. Nobody knows why he might want to have simply stayed out of the limelight, lo these many years, given there would never be a trial.

He may have well come forward if there had been a trial.

[John Iacoletti]

I didn’t say that they were. In fact I gave an example of an arbitrary assumption:

Despite Charles’ irrational insistence otherwise, his notion of “rational derivation” and “arbitrary assumption” are not mutually exclusive.

[John Iacoletti]

Iacoletti brought it up, with his calling me a hypocrite
I schooled him on the difference between the two situations

You’ve never “schooled” anybody on anything here. You can’t even keep people’s names straight.

Yes, I’ve said that before.

[Charles Collins]

Despite Charles’ irrational insistence otherwise, his notion of “rational derivation” and “arbitrary assumption” are not mutually exclusive.

You’re not fooling anyone but yourself.

[John Iacoletti]

You’re not fooling anyone but yourself.

You can continue to insist that you are the ultimate authority of what words mean, but it’s nothing but a waste of time.

The bottom line still is that we don’t know how accurate the dispatcher spoken time checks on the edited non-continuous dictabelt recordings are.