The Bus Stop Farce

[Martin Weidmann]

There are two options; he could have taken the I-35E or S. Marsalis Ave.

Looking at a map of Dallas dated 1962 shows that I-35 was under construction in the area of Clarendon Drive and only proposed (not yet under construction) south of that area. Therefore, I submit that Bowley probably took Marsalis Ave. A check of google maps shows this route takes about 17 minutes. Your arithmetic doesn’t work so well now, does it?

For a moment I thought it might be possible to have a normal, reasonable, conversation with you, but, once again, you blew it.

You can submit all you want but it doesn't matter a damned thing because google maps calculates based on present day traffic conditions and not the traffic in 1963, which, I submit, was not as heavy as it is today. And my arithmetic is actually about right, because if he picked up his daughter at 12.55, a trip of "about 17 minutes" would still have gotten him to 10th street at 1.12. Two minutes less and he gets there at 1.10 just like he said. Either way, when he got there, Tippit had already been shot, which means he was killed before 1.14 - 1.15!

[John Iacoletti]

Why the double standard? You take a bystander’s testimony that he looked at his wristwatch. But you don’t take an eyewitness’ testimony that his supervisor told him the time that his call was recorded?

Well for one thing, it’s hearsay. But it’s not just one bystander’s wristwatch, as Martin has aptly laid out.

FWIW, An FBI interview of cab dispatcher D.G. Graham on November 28, 1963 says Graham recorded the call coming in at 1:25 p.m. The two minute discrepancy is probably due to Graham’s desire to notify the DPD before recording the time of the call.

“With Malice” (reference note #399).

FWIW, indeed. Myers always claims his wild-ass guesses are “probable”.

[John Iacoletti]

Let me catch you up: Martin P. Weidmann has never stated anything even remotely brilliant. Or even anywhere close to clever, for that matter. Additionally, I recently outed him as to what he really is, to the point of him 'steering' himself into the ditch and out the door... as is always his fate whenever he attempts to get around me.

You’re a legend in your own mind. You can’t even get the most basic information right.

[John Iacoletti]

But wait they do link Oswald to the crime through a multitude of other evidence that you suggest they don't have - prints, rifle etc.

Sure, “Richard”. Which is why you never get around to ever specifying what this “multitude” is.

So let's summarize.  The [fill in the blank since you are not a CTer but believe all the evidence is faked]

Strawman “Smith” strikes again. Martin never said he believes all the evidence is faked.

decided to frame Oswald via some shirt fibers which requires the cooperation and lies of a random citizen but then it doesn't link Oswald to the crime.   

The fibers can’t be uniquely tied to any particular garment. Full stop.

[Charles Collins]

For a moment I thought it might be possible to have a normal, reasonable, conversation with you, but, once again, you blew it.

You can submit all you want but it doesn't matter a damned thing because google maps calculates based on present day traffic conditions and not the traffic in 1963, which, I submit, was not as heavy as it is today. And my arithmetic is actaully about right, because if he picked up his daughter at 12.55, a trip of "about 17 minutes" would still have gotten him to 10th street at 1.12. Two minutes less and he gets there at 1.10 just like he said. Either way, when he got there, Tippit had already been shot, which means he was killed before 1.14 - 1.15!

Traffic at 8:00 p.m. still shows a 16-minute trip. Do you really want to hang your hat on traffic being significantly lighter than that on a Friday afternoon before Thanksgiving week? And did he arrive at the school to pick up his daughter at 12:55? Or was he already back on the road by 12:55? I believe that it would have taken a little time to physically pick her up and get back onto the street.

[Martin Weidmann]

Traffic at 8:00 p.m. still shows a 16-minute trip. Do you really want to hang your hat on traffic being significantly lighter than that on a Friday afternoon before Thanksgiving week? And did he arrive at the school to pick up his daughter at 12:55? Or was he already back on the road by 12:55? I believe that it would have taken a little time to physically pick her up and get back onto the street.

Traffic at 8:00 p.m. still shows a 16-minute trip. Do you really want to hang your hat on traffic being significantly lighter than that on a Friday afternoon before Thanksgiving week?

It doesn't matter. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Callaway confirmed he was there before he [Callaway] arived on the scene and he only had to run half a block to get there.

And did he arrive at the school to pick up his daughter at 12:55? Or was he already back on the road by 12:55? I believe that it would have taken a little time to physically pick her up and get back onto the street.

Another moot point. If he was already back on the road by 12.55 he simply would have gotten to 10th street sooner. You are arguing semantics whilst missing the bigger point; Callaway confirmed that Bowley was at the scene before he got there. It doesn't matter one bit if his trip took a minute longer or not, nor does it matter how long it took to pick up his daughter.

He was there just after Tippit was shot and he had finished working the radio when Callaway got there. Period.

[Charles Collins]

Traffic at 8:00 p.m. still shows a 16-minute trip. Do you really want to hang your hat on traffic being significantly lighter than that on a Friday afternoon before Thanksgiving week?

It doesn't matter. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Callaway confirmed he was there before he [Callaway] arived on the scene and he only had to run half a block to get there.

And did he arrive at the school to pick up his daughter at 12:55? Or was he already back on the road by 12:55? I believe that it would have taken a little time to physically pick her up and get back onto the street.

Another moot point. If he was already back on the road by 12.55 he simply would have gotten to 10th street sooner. You are arguing semantics whilst missing the bigger point; Callaway confirmed that Bowley was at the scene before he got there. It doesn't matter one bit if his trip took a minute longer or not, nor does it matter how long it took to pick up his daughter.

He was there just after Tippit was shot and he had finished working the radio when Callaway got there. Period.

He was there just after Tippit was shot and he had finished working the radio when Callaway got there. Period.


So, what time was that?

Markham was basing her time estimate on a clock in the laundromat (which wasn’t checked for accuracy). She had varied from her usual routine and stopped in the laundromat to call her daughter. The line was busy.

It doesn’t appear that Bowley could have made that trip in the time frame outlined in your timeline. Maybe he forgot to wind his watch and it was running slow. Both the DPD and the cab company indicate the time was several minutes later than Bowley’s watch indicated. That is a pretty good indication that his watch was slow.