The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

Do you have any corroboration for Buell Frazier’s account regarding the jacket on Thursday evening?

Depends on what you consider to be corroboration. First of all there is the testimony of Buell Frazier;

Mr. BALL - On Thursday afternoon when you went home, drove on home, did he carry any package with him?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; he didn't
Mr. BALL - Did he have a jacket or coat on him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What kind of a jacket or coat did he have?
Mr. FRAZIER - That, you know, like I say gray jacket.
Mr. BALL - That same gray jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. Now, I can be frank with you, I had seen him wear that jacket several times, because it is cool type like when you keep a jacket on all day, if you are working on outside or something like that, you wouldn't go outside with just a plain shirt on.

and then there is Marina confirming that Oswald only owned two jackets. Both jackets were recovered and no others were found at Ruth Paine's house or the rooming house.

The blue/grey jacket (CE 163) was later found at the TSBD, which means that's the jacket Oswald was wearing on Friday morning. This only leaves the grey jacket, that Frazier said, Oswald was wearing to Irving on Thursday afternoon.

There are two more things in Frazier's testimony that got my attention.

First of all, they never showed him CE 162, the grey jacket, for identification (one can only wonder why) and, secondly, they did show him CE 163.

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.

Frazier's response is somewhat remarkable as it was jacket CE 163 that Oswald was wearing during the trip to the TSBD on Friday morning, so Frazier must have seen it at least once.

Could Frazier have been mistaken about the grey jacket? Sure, he could, but so could - and that's the point I am making - be Earlene Roberts.

So, did Marina positively identify both CE 162 and CE 163 as belonging to LHO?

[Martin Weidmann]

So, did Marina positively identify both CE 162 and CE 163 as belonging to LHO?

Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. 163?
Mrs. OSWALD. Also.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall which one of the sweaters or jackets he was wearing on the morning of November 22, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. When was the last time that you saw this jacket, Exhibit 163?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember seeing it on the morning of November 22, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. The thing is that I saw Lee in the room, and I didn't see him getting dressed in the room. That is why it is difficult for me to say. But I told him to put on something warm on the way to work.

Page 653 of the Warren Report

Speculation.--When Oswald left his roominghouse at about 1 p.m. on November 22 he had on a zipper-type tan plaid jacket.

Commission finding.--The jacket that Oswald was wearing at the time of the slaying of Tippit was a light-gray jacket. According to Marina Oswald, her husband owned only two jackets--one blue and the other light gray. The housekeeper at 1026 North Beckley Avenue, Mrs. Earlene Roberts, was not certain about the color of the jacket that Oswald was wearing when he left the house.62

[Bill Chapman]

You've never been there, right?

It's the kind of street where anybody who walks there but doesn't live there stands out, regardless of how fast or slow he was walking.

At that time of day, at least one person per household would be at work, the kids would be at school, and others with at least one good eyeball would more than likely have had said eyeballs glued to the TV.

[Martin Weidmann]

At that time of day, at least one person per household would be at work, a couple would be at school, and others with at least one good eyeball would more than likely have had these eyeballs glued to the TV.

And more than likely you're just guessing

Far more interesting would be if you could explain why Oswald would run to such a location in the first place?

But, I somehow doubt I will get a serious answer from you, right?

[Bill Chapman]

And more than likely you're just guessing

Far more interesting would be if you could explain why Oswald would run to such a location in the first place?

But, I somehow doubt I will get a serious answer from you, right?

More than likely you're just trolling. My remarks regarding most people being otherwise occupied and therefore not being in a position to see Oswald that day are eminently feasible.

And where did I claim he had a plan for any particular direction of travel? Feel free to seek out other other sources like Cakebread who claim Oswald was on his way to meeting his 'handlers'. You should really confine yourself to those who make claims that Oswald had a reason to take any particular street.

[Martin Weidmann]

More than likely you're just trolling. My remarks regarding most people being otherwise occupied and therefore not being in a position to see Oswald that day are eminently feasible.

And where did I claim he had a plan for any particular direction of travel? Feel free to seek out other other sources like Cakebread who claim Oswald was on his way to meeting his 'handlers'. You should really confine yourself to those who make claims that Oswald had a reason to take any particular street.

In my previous post I wrote;

But, I somehow doubt I will get a serious answer from you, right?

and I was right!

More than likely you're just trolling.

I am actually trying to have a normal conversation about evidence and circumstances and once again you have shown that you're the wrong person to talk to.

You should really confine yourself to those who make claims that Oswald had a reason to take any particular street.

In this particular instance I was talking to the guy who claimed, without a shred of evidence, that Oswald ran to 10th Street, but who, as per usual, can not explain why he would be running to get to a go nowhere street. That would be you!

[Charles Collins]

Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. 163?
Mrs. OSWALD. Also.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall which one of the sweaters or jackets he was wearing on the morning of November 22, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. When was the last time that you saw this jacket, Exhibit 163?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember seeing it on the morning of November 22, 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. The thing is that I saw Lee in the room, and I didn't see him getting dressed in the room. That is why it is difficult for me to say. But I told him to put on something warm on the way to work.

Page 653 of the Warren Report

Speculation.--When Oswald left his roominghouse at about 1 p.m. on November 22 he had on a zipper-type tan plaid jacket.

Commission finding.--The jacket that Oswald was wearing at the time of the slaying of Tippit was a light-gray jacket. According to Marina Oswald, her husband owned only two jackets--one blue and the other light gray. The housekeeper at 1026 North Beckley Avenue, Mrs. Earlene Roberts, was not certain about the color of the jacket that Oswald was wearing when he left the house.62

Did anyone else who saw LHO on 11/22 (Frazier’s sister, coworkers, etc) indicate what jacket he was wearing? Same with the evening of 11/21.