The Bus Stop Farce

[Bill Chapman]

@CTers: Keep estimating the time for another 58 years

Unfortunately for you, it's no longer an estimate when it is corroborated by other evidence.

Meanwhile, Oswald was ID'd at and near the scene

All you've got is Markham's "was there a number 2"...

The other two witnesses who were in the best position to see or could have seen (and identify) the shooter were Domingo Benavides and T.F. Bowley. Both men did not attend the line up. Benavides said he couldn't be sure that he could identify the man and Bowley was completely ignored by law enforcement after he gave his affidavit.

And before you ask, we know that Bowley arrived at the crime scene just after the shooting and before Callaway got there. This means that Bowley either just missed the killer passing by or saw him leave 10th street in the direction of Callaway on Patton.

Unfair lineup or not:
Q: Why didn't Oswald ask for a jacket in the lineup?
A: Duh.

How in the world would you even know what Oswald asked for at the line up?

'Poor dumb cop'
'I'm not resisting arrest' spoke Oswald as he resisted arrest
'It's what boys' do as Oswald said he brought a gun

How in the world would you even know what Oswald asked for at the line up?
Based on the facts, it's obvious why Oswald would not ask for a jacket

All you've got is Markham's "was there a number 2"
Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

[Martin Weidmann]

How in the world would you even know what Oswald asked for at the line up?
Based on the facts, it's obvious why Oswald would not ask for a jacket

Your "it's obvious" is nothing more than speculation

All you've got is Markham's "was there a number 2"
Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

Presenting testimony out of context isn't going to get you very far.

[Bill Chapman]

Your "it's obvious" is nothing more than speculation

Presenting testimony out of context isn't going to get you very far.

Your "it's obvious" is nothing more than speculation
No, deduction

Presenting testimony out of context isn't going to get you very far
The fact that Markham ID'd Oswald as the shooter is context enough to get over the finish line

[Martin Weidmann]

Your "it's obvious" is nothing more than speculation
No, deduction

Same thing

Presenting testimony out of context isn't going to get you very far
The fact that Markham ID'd Oswald as the shooter is context enough to get over the finish line

Actually it isn't.

She didn't ID Oswald as the shooter. She felt pressured and got weak... She said so in her testimony

If this case had gone to trial Markham would have been destroyed by a defense lawyer. I don't think the prosecutor wouldn't even call her as a witness.

[John Mytton]

From Dale Myers:  "The death certificate "discrepancy" - as I noted in "With Malice" - was explained during a 1983 interview I conducted with the late Dr. Paul Moellenhoff, who attended Tippit at Methodist. He told me that the clocks within the emergency area at Methodist showed different times - neither of them accurate as it turns out.

He used the 1:15 p.m. time shown on one of the clocks. The time reported to the FBI by Dr. Liquori (With Malice [WM], 2013 [edition], p.557) - 1:24 pm - is probably the accurate one based on the recorded timing of Bowley's call, the recorded departure of the ambulance from 10th and Patton, and the known drive time from 10th and Patton to Methodist Hospital.

DPD Officer Davenport noted that Moellenhoff removed one slug from Tippit's body at 1:30 pm (WM 2013 p.536). That same time (1:30 pm) made its way into Leavelle's homicide report (WM 2013 p.519) as the time Tippit was pronounced DOA (which couldn't possibly be true, right? You don't pull a slug from a body until after he's pronounced dead). This matches up with Moellenhoff's 1983 recollection that he removed a slug from the body within ten minutes of declaring Tippit DOA.

My caption under the death certificate (WM 2013 p.506) seeks to clarify the discrepancy between the Time of Injury (1:18 pm) and the time Death Occurred (1:15 pm). Again, it stems from my conversation with Dr. Moellenhoff. The 1:18 pm time, of course, probably refers to the time that Bowley's radio call was received - not the actual time Tippit was shot.

The 1:15 p.m. notation (although close in time to the actual moment of the shooting, as far as I can calculate) probably stems from Dr. Moellenhoff's use of an inaccurate Methodist emergency room clock.

Interesting, huh? All this fuss because no one at Methodist bothered to synchronize the clocks to actual time (some running fast, some running slow).

Can you imagine how many other death certificates were marked with times that were off by a few minutes? But what does it matter in those cases? Not one whit."

 

Hospitals are facing constant challenges to meet the needs of
patients. Outdated technologies within old clock systems are unsafe
and unreliable for patient care.
https://sapling-inc.com/wp-content/uploads/Healthcare-White-Paper-1.pdf

Medical Device Clock Errors in the Hospital
...
Of 337 device clock-times that were recorded, 53% had an offset of > 1 min, 17% had an offset of > 30 minutes, and 11% had an offset of > 1 hour.
https://www.stahq.org/files/2713/2743/1017/Abstract_1.pdf

JohnM

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hospitals are facing constant challenges to meet the needs of
patients. Outdated technologies within old clock systems are unsafe
and unreliable for patient care.
https://sapling-inc.com/wp-content/uploads/Healthcare-White-Paper-1.pdf

Medical Device Clock Errors in the Hospital
...
Of 337 device clock-times that were recorded, 53% had an offset of > 1 min, 17% had an offset of > 30 minutes, and 11% had an offset of > 1 hour.
https://www.stahq.org/files/2713/2743/1017/Abstract_1.pdf

JohnM

JohnM

And your point is?

[Alan Hardaker]

If there was 10,15,20 eye witnesses saying they saw Oswald kill Tippet, the truth deniers would still twist the evidence in Oswald's favour. Bit like Trump denying Biden.Only difference is Trump will give up eventually. But like the truth deniers he will still believe he was robbed of victory.

I mean it beggar's belief that people still claim Oswald is innocent of the murder of Tippet. Suppose that's the reason ridiculous conspiracies exsist. Some people just can't accept that the're wrong.

I initially started out (back in the day) believing that Oswald was innocent but once I looked at the overwhelming evidence, some of it slightly flawed admittedly, I quickly realised I was wrong. Oswald killed 2 people that day (3 if you count his own life) JFK & Officer J.D.Tippet.