The Bus Stop Farce

[Martin Weidmann]

Aaaargh... name the friends, family (members) and employer (manager, supervisor).

And the icing on the cake: Prove that Mrs Markham was never late for an appointment even one time in her life!

First you prove that your are actually alive.

I know, that's a stupid question, but it's just as stupid as yours.

It's irrelevant what Markham did or did not do on any other day than 11/22/63. All that matters is what happened on 11/22/63 and Markham told us what she did that day. Do you have any proof that what she said was not correct?

[Walt Cakebread]

Way too much logic for "Richard Smith", Walt

Huh??....  Logic ??....    How can that be?     Mr "Smith" believes that I'm an irrational conspiracy kook......

[Jerry Freeman]

  Prove that Mrs Markham was never late for an appointment even one time in her life!

Prove that she was late for her bus on Nov 22 '63. That is really what matters.

[Bill Chapman]

Only Mystery Guest #2 gave Markham pause (to put it mildly) in the lineup
And no guarantee that watches where all synched to GMT

[Martin Weidmann]

Only Mystery Guest #2 gave Markham pause (to put it mildly) in the lineup
And no guarantee that watches where all synched to GMT

Only Mystery Guest #2 gave Markham pause (to put it mildly) in the lineup

Mr. BALL. Was there a number two man in there?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two is the one I picked.
Mr. BALL. Well, I thought you just told me that you hadn't--
Mrs. MARKHAM. I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing.
Mr. BALL. No. I wanted to know if that day when you were in there if you saw anyone in there--
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two.
Mr. BALL. What did you say when you saw number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, let me tell you. I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one, which one. I said, number two. When I said number two, I just got weak.
Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.
Mr. BALL. You recognized him from his appearance?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I asked--I looked at him. When I saw this man I wasn't sure, but I had cold chills just run all over me.

And no guarantee that watches where all synched to GMT

Nobody required any such guarantee. Give or take a minute, the timeline as presented still stands...

Care to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion?.....

[Jerry Freeman]

Only Mystery Guest #2 gave Markham pause (to put it mildly) in the lineup
And no guarantee that watches where all synched to GMT

All these guys with ...Were the watches or clocks accurate blah blah?
One can glean from the testimony of the witness' testimony that the Commissioners were not even interested in that. Ted Callaway was not asked what time he remembers...Joe Ball tells him what time he remembers...

Mr. BALL. Now, Mr. Callaway, around 1:15 or so of that day, where were you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I was standing on the front porch of our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you attempt to stand in the same place you were at the time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where you were standing November 22d around 1 o'clock or so?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

[Bill Brown]

Whether Roberts saw Oswald standing at the bus stop or not is of very little significance. Roberts tells us that when Oswald came in she was trying to get the television to work to watch the news at 1 o'clock and that he left again after about 3 minutes.
We also know from the Gary Mack time trial that the fastest route between Beckley and 10th street took 11 minutes to walk.

Combined this means that Oswald couldn't have gotten to 10th street until 1.12 pm at the earliest. Add on two minutes for a short conversation with Tippit and the events that followed and you've got a shooting at 1.14 pm.

The problem is there is convincing circumstantial evidence to justify the conclusion that the actual time of the shooting most likely was between 1.06 and 1.10. For instance, Markham said she took the same bus, on Jefferson, every day at approx 1.15 pm, which of course means that she would have been at the bus stop at the time of the shooting and thus couldn't have been at 10th street at 1.14 to witness it.

So, you see, the whole point of Oswald waiting at the bus stop or not is really a trivial matter.

Markham gets to the bus stop around 1:15 every day in time to catch the bus that stopped at Patton and Jefferson at 1:22.  If true on the afternoon of 11/22/63, this would have her arriving at Tenth and Patton around 1:13/1:14.

And.... I really doubt that the conversation between Oswald and Tippit lasted two minutes.