The Book Depository as a Potemkin Village

[Richard Gilbride]

This isn't a JFK & UFOs thread. The Google search you mention must rely solely on the last chapter of my 2009 book Matrix for Assassination. There isn't anywhere else I've written, other than in response in a couple of posts in a 2010 JFK Lancer thread, about that topic. Now your Google search has 1,141 results.

To answer your questions:

1) Do you deny linking the JFK assassination with ufos in any of your books?  No.

2) Do you believe the government is covering up the truth about the existence of aliens from outer space visiting the earth? Yes, they have covered up most of it.

3) What do you believe is the connection between the JFK assassination and ufos? My belief is that President Kennedy was proceeding to eventually declassify some of the "above top secret" Tesla electromagnetics technology so that humankind could derive some benefit. That process involved disclosing that the military had "back-engineered" some technology from retrieved spacecraft. This was one of many reasons to eliminate him.


That's all I will discuss as regards "JFK & UFOs" in this thread. You should start a thread about that, if that's what you want to talk about.

If you go to my website jfkinsidejob.com you will see a PHYSICS article I put together in 1996 which covers new designs I created for graphing the elements, isotopes & subatomic particles. I was awarded US Patent D396,060 for my design of the elements.

You will also find a dozen or so ESSAYS about the Texas School Book Depository, which has been the focal point of my JFK research since 2009. "A Candle Burned on the Table" is a short one and might be a good place to start. I have 35+ years in the trades and that has given me a lot of common sense about buildings.

Until you respond to the subject of this thread, or to one of those essays, I have nothing to discuss with you. I will not be responding to anything that you or anyone else posts about JFK & UFOs.

[Denis Pointing]

This isn't a JFK & UFOs thread. The Google search you mention must rely solely on the last chapter of my 2009 book Matrix for Assassination. There isn't anywhere else I've written, other than in response in a couple of posts in a 2010 JFK Lancer thread, about that topic. Now your Google search has 1,141 results.

To answer your questions:

1) Do you deny linking the JFK assassination with ufos in any of your books?  No.

2) Do you believe the government is covering up the truth about the existence of aliens from outer space visiting the earth? Yes, they have covered up most of it.

3) What do you believe is the connection between the JFK assassination and ufos? My belief is that President Kennedy was proceeding to eventually declassify some of the "above top secret" Tesla electromagnetics technology so that humankind could derive some benefit. That process involved disclosing that the military had "back-engineered" some technology from retrieved spacecraft. This was one of many reasons to eliminate him.


That's all I will discuss as regards "JFK & UFOs" in this thread. You should start a thread about that, if that's what you want to talk about.

If you go to my website jfkinsidejob.com you will see a PHYSICS article I put together in 1996 which covers new designs I created for graphing the elements, isotopes & subatomic particles. I was awarded US Patent D396,060 for my design of the elements.

You will also find a dozen or so ESSAYS about the Texas School Book Depository, which has been the focal point of my JFK research since 2009. "A Candle Burned on the Table" is a short one and might be a good place to start. I have 35+ years in the trades and that has given me a lot of common sense about buildings.

Until you respond to the subject of this thread, or to one of those essays, I have nothing to discuss with you. I will not be responding to anything that you or anyone else posts about JFK & UFOs.

It may well suit your present purpose to 'ban' us from discussing a part of your work you would obviously prefer hidden but that's not how it works, is it? It's only by studying all your work that we can ascertain the validity of the part of your work you wish for us to study. I can well understand why on this forum which isn't, generally speaking, filled with nuts n kooks you would want your work on JFK & UFOs to remain 'out of bounds' but again, that's not how it works. It seems you're attempting to present a facade of respectable scholarly research whilst hiding the, shall we say, 'less respectable scholarly research' behind that facade. In short, it's your very own work presented on this forum that's really the "Potemkin Village".

"By Potemkin Village we mean any structure built to deceive - a false front intending to hide
a defective or negative situation.
This metaphor originated as a Russian cultural myth in the late 1700s, and we owe it to the
governor of the war-damaged Crimean peninsula, Grigorii Potemkin, who was hoping to
impress his visiting empress, Catherine the Great, by propping up hollow facades of villages
at her expected stops. These were elaborately decorated and populated with peasantfolk."

[Dan O'meara]

In short, it's your very own work presented on this forum that's really the "Potemkin Village".

Ouch!

Had a quick look through your essay again to see if I was missing anything and I wasn't.
At least in a Potemkin village the facades are real.
In a company the size of the TSBD you find three tenuous leads that are maybe, possibly, perhaps something to do with your, apparently, a priori assumption the TSBD is a front. You acknowledge this really nebulous, non-evidence doesn't really support your assumption the TSBD is a front (that's really big of you), so what is the killer, indisputable, smoking gun that leaves us with no doubt that the TSBD was one of these "cut-outs for arms shipments to Cuban exiles for the invasion"?
Somebody switched off the power to the elevators for a few minutes!
Well I'm sold, can't really argue with that ... oh, wait on a minute.......stairs

PS: Surely you've seen the photo of Bill Shelley and Oswald in New Orleans. Stick that in there for a bit of substance as weaving smoke is tricky at the best of times.

[Joe Elliott]

In short, it's your very own work presented on this forum that's really the "Potemkin Village".

I would like to echo Dan’s opinion. Denis’s post is spot on. Richard would like to present the “better” half of his theory, the alleged involvement in the conspiracy to kill the President by the employees of the TSBD, while keeping hidden the most absurd aspects of his theory, the connections to the government coverups of UFO’s with the assassination.

Believe me, if any LNer here made various arguments as to why Oswald was the lone assassin, and in addition, claimed that Oswald was motivated because he feared that Kennedy was about to reveal the truth about UFO’s, which Oswald learned about while in the Marines and taught to operate radar sets based on alien technology, this aspect of their theory would not be off limits. It would be front and center in the CTers posts against his arguments.

[Richard Gilbride]

Mr. Dan O'meara, I do not argue that the TSBD was a front for smuggling arms to the Cubans. You imply, incorrectly, that my argument is that the elevator anomalies are the "smoking gun" for the building's use as a front.

What I am arguing is that the TSBD's phony portrayal as an upstanding schoolbook business is the reason for viewing it as a Potemkin Village.

The elevator shut-off occurred just as the police were beginning to search the building; it wasn't mentioned until the spring testimonies of Adams and Mooney (it was reported by Mooney, but not further reported by his boss Decker); there wasn't any other mention of this shut-off, nor of when power was restored; it didn't make it any after-action reports of the first-responding Treasury agents, since these reports never surfaced.

Nothing suspicious there?

Mr. Denis Pointing and Mr. Joe Elliot, what in tarnation does 2009 work on JFK & UFOs have to do with the subject matter of this thread, a 2020 essay that considers the TSBD a Potemkin Village? Are we to have a discussion of every nuance of my body of work on the Kennedy assassination, and 7 zillion days later get back to the 2020 essay? I think I made it clear that I haven't pushed the UFO topic, and have focused on the TSBD since that 2009 book. And that I have science qualifications to back up my exploration of science-fictionesque topics.

Right now it doesn't appear to me that either of you are able to focus on what's in the 2020 essay. You display contempt prior to investigation. Is this perhaps due to a substance abuse issue, which is your own personal Potemkin Village?

[Dan O'meara]

Mr. Dan O'meara, I do not argue that the TSBD was a front for smuggling arms to the Cubans. You imply, incorrectly, that my argument is that the elevator anomalies are the "smoking gun" for the building's use as a front.

What I am arguing is that the TSBD's phony portrayal as an upstanding schoolbook business is the reason for viewing it as a Potemkin Village.

The elevator shut-off occurred just as the police were beginning to search the building; it wasn't mentioned until the spring testimonies of Adams and Mooney (it was reported by Mooney, but not further reported by his boss Decker); there wasn't any other mention of this shut-off, nor of when power was restored; it didn't make it any after-action reports of the first-responding Treasury agents, since these reports never surfaced.

Nothing suspicious there?

"You imply, incorrectly, that my argument is that the elevator anomalies are the "smoking gun" for the building's use as a front."

But in your essay you write:

"This issue singlehandedly indicates that Book Depository employees were complicit in the assassination."

You present your power outage as a smoking gun that the employees were involved in the plot to kill the President (singlehandedly indicates) and, by implication, the TSBD is a front. It's right there in your essay.

Can you explain the point of the power outage, what purpose it served? (remember by each of the elevators are a set of stairs)

[Denis Pointing]

Mr. Denis Pointing and Mr. Joe Elliot, what in tarnation does 2009 work on JFK & UFOs have to do with the subject matter of this thread, a 2020 essay that considers the TSBD a Potemkin Village? Are we to have a discussion of every nuance of my body of work on the Kennedy assassination, and 7 zillion days later get back to the 2020 essay? I think I made it clear that I haven't pushed the UFO topic, and have focused on the TSBD since that 2009 book. And that I have science qualifications to back up my exploration of science-fictionesque topics.

Right now it doesn't appear to me that either of you are able to focus on what's in the 2020 essay. You display contempt prior to investigation. Is this perhaps due to a substance abuse issue, which is your own personal Potemkin Village?

So, because Joe and I dare to criticise your work we must be substance abuses...really!?!
OK, you want to remove the gloves, so be it;
As far as I'm concerned any 'researcher' that believes JFK's assassination was linked to interplanetary alien's and space ships is an absolute raving nut-job, who should urgently consider psychiatric assistance or lay off substance abuse for a while. Call me overly discerning if you wish but I find it extremely difficult to take seriously any work presented by an absolute raving nut-job and/or possible substance abuser.
You've tainted your own work and reputation by writing about JFK and little green men in flying saucers...that's not my fault.