How did Ruby get into the basement?

[Dan O'meara]

It's even tighter than that. If you watch the news clip you'll see there's a car reversing as Ruby darts forward, the car almost hit him, if Ruby had been just a few seconds later that car would have been between him and Oswald...Ruby would never have got the shot off. That always convinced me more than anything that there was no planning, just a spur of the moment madness.

PS Please check it for yourself but going by memory I believe it worked out Ruby only had about 30 seconds before Oswald was brought out, in that time he had to push to the front of the crowd, draw his gun and dart forward.

There's so much weird stuff about Ruby - Vickie Adams is sure he was outside the TSBD pretending to be a reporter on the day of the assassination, he shows up at the Oswald press conference, he's filmed in the halls of the DPD etc. He is so suspect but I have to agree, it isn't a mafia hit or some other conspiracy driven event, it seems to be, as you say, a spur of the moment madness.

[Denis Pointing]

There's so much weird stuff about Ruby - Vickie Adams is sure he was outside the TSBD pretending to be a reporter on the day of the assassination, he shows up at the Oswald press conference, he's filmed in the halls of the DPD etc. He is so suspect but I have to agree, it isn't a mafia hit or some other conspiracy driven event, it seems to be, as you say, a spur of the moment madness.

That's because Ruby himself was weird. He seemed to enjoy mixing with people he considered important, reporters, police, even the 'mob', inserting himself where he didn't belong, there's plenty of examples of him doing that. Would a psychiatrist label that as someone with a serious inferiority complex? He was also known to have a hair-trigger temper...that's why his nickname was 'sparky', he was also known for having abrupt mood swings, sometimes violent ones.  I can quite imagine a man like Ruby having a momentary flash of madness, he even admitted as much himself, when he saw Oswald smirking. He was also surprised at the public reaction...he expected to be treated as a hero. Give an unstable man like that easy access to a gun and....

[Gerry Down]

He was also surprised at the public reaction...he expected to be treated as a hero.

Do you have a source of Ruby saying he thought he would be treated as a hero? I always thought that was just other people assuming that is what Ruby was thinking.

[Denis Pointing]

Do you have a source of Ruby saying he thought he would be treated as a hero? I always thought that was just other people assuming that is what Ruby was thinking.

There's many 'assumptions' from family and friends. Assumptions or insights from people that knew Ruby well? All easily found via GOOGLE. And then there's Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."

[Gerry Down]

There's plenty of sources Gerry, including Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. All easily found via GOOGLE. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."

Thanks

[Dan O'meara]

There's many 'assumptions' from family and friends. Assumptions or insights from people that knew Ruby well? All easily found via GOOGLE. And then there's Tonahill, Ruby's lawyer and Jim Leavelle. One example from Leavelle, whilst escorting Ruby to the Dallas County Jail Leavelle asked Ruby why he did it, Ruby replied:

''I wanted to be a hero. It looks like I fucked things up.''

From Leavelle:
" he just wanted to be a hero. He wanted to have the glory of killing the man who killed a beloved president. Ruby thought he’d be arrested and charged, but he thought the Grand Jury wouldn’t indict him. Or if they did, he wouldn’t get more than a few years. Then he’d return to his night club, where people would come from far and wide to be seen at the club owned and operated by a legend."

From Tonahill:
“Ruby considered himself a hero. He thought he had done a great service for the community."

He even describes himself as a "martyr" in his mind-blowing WC testimony.
If, as it seems, Ruby just acted on the moment, try to imagine the countless hours spent by countless researchers trying to join dots that just don't join. There's a lesson there.

[Denis Pointing]

He even describes himself as a "martyr" in his mind-blowing WC testimony.
If, as it seems, Ruby just acted on the moment, try to imagine the countless hours spent by countless researchers trying to join dots that just don't join. There's a lesson there.

Yeah, and the reason for it is lazy 'researchers' keep repeating the same old crap decade after decade in CT books, when if they just stopped plagiarising each other and actually sat down and carried out a little research they'd find the 'facts' they're regurgitating were disproved years ago, which is why I got so pissed off with Griffiths a while back.