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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Was Edgar Eugene Bradley One of the Three Tramps?
« Reply #238 on: September 12, 2021, 11:32:42 AM »
Tom, me and you are thinking alike. I shoved Doyle's mush through a facial analyzer and it also came out with some results. Sadly, I can't find his results anywhere on the program I used. But I have the guy that looks similarly to Doyle but isn't allegedly/actually him. ...
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Big claim for Fred Litwin to make - that he solved all these puzzles.

Robert, great minds, I guess!

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190294/


https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/285979588/


Disclosure, there was a William Abrams, b. 1915  in this tree. I created a new entry matching the obituary details
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8FS-64V






Are we done, AFA the old tramp, or are hold-outs claiming the FBI altered the birthdate on the arrest record?
Abrams was difficult to find on ancestrylibrary.com because until the obituary, in census and other records he went
by William, likely his actual given name. In 1910 - 1940 census records, his parents were Henry and Maggie.

I am satisfied, or I would not invest the time presenting these details...
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Was Lee Harvey Oswald a Man of the Right?
« Reply #241 on: September 12, 2021, 09:51:29 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-lee-harvey-oswald-a-man-of-the-right
I guess we can debate whether he truly understood and embraced Marxism or whether it was simply something he found that answered his questions as to why the world he grew up in was so miserable and so unjust. Which, in his defense, it largely was. Perhaps a bit of both (and I do think some of the key concepts of Marxism were understood by him in some detail; if you correct his spelling and grammatical errors in his writings, as Noman Mailer did in his book on Oswald, you can see that they're somewhat sophisticated).

But the evidence that he disliked, indeed hated, the American political and economic systems is, for me, conclusive. He found it unjust and irredeemable. Indeed, he told Michael Paine shortly before the assassination that the American system had to be completely overthrown, that incremental changes would not work. It could not reformed; it had to be replaced. And in a Marxist/leftist type direction.

The only response to all of this is, as Weisberg and Garrison argued, that it was an act or a cover; that because his favorite TV show as a teenager was about a man pretending to be a Marxist (Herbert Philbrick) that he too was acting out this fake life. Either for his own bizarre reasons or because he was directed to do so by others. I find it quite unlikely that someone would direct him at the age of 16 to create this cover or "legend." For what purpose? But then again I'm not a JFK conspiracist.
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Was Lee Harvey Oswald a Man of the Right?
« Reply #242 on: September 13, 2021, 01:44:35 AM »
No, he was a Leftwinger. A Liberal who maybe agreed with some aspects of Marxism.

What most Conservative Americans don’t seem to understand about the Left is that there’s a long anti-Communist tradition among Western Liberals. Some of the most rabid anti-Communists of the postwar era were Liberals (ie George Orwell).

Based on Oswald’s writing and things he told people close to him after he returned to the US from the USSR, he wasn’t a Communist by that time and didn’t view the Soviet system as superior to the American political system. In the summer of 63’ he wrote that ‘he chose the LESSER evil by returning to the United States’.

He rejected Racial Segregation and supported the Civil Rights movement which put him in line with most Liberals in the early 60s. It also makes sense that he agreed with Kennedy’s support of MLK and Civil Rights.

When I look at Oswald’s biography, the biggest thing that sticks out for me are his numerous friends and associates who were rightwing or rabid anti-Comminists.

I can’t name any friends or associates of Oswald in the US who were Far-Left or communists. Isn’t that odd? The Paines are close to the only known Far-Left associates of Oswald and I suspect that they were Liberal anti-Communists.

As for his support of Cuba/Castro, I’m not certain that it was genuine or based on devotion to communism. Castro was still a darling of the Left in the early-60s. People on the Left were still optimistic that he might be a great leader for Cuba at that time.

Castro, when he visited Harlem in the early 1960s, called out the hypocrisy of the US in terms of the way Black Americans were treated. The contradictions were noted by Dr. Martin Luther King, who opposed imperialism and colonialism:

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Cuba’s willingness to exploit the United States’s contradictory foreign policy position and domestic racial turmoil helped spur the White House to resort to terrorism and other illegal, covert reprisals against the island nation. It also reinforced the repressive instincts already being brought to bear against American blacks. Ten days after Martin Luther King, Jr. denounced the botched Bay of Pigs invasion as “a disservice … to the whole of humanity” and called on the United States to “join the revolution” against “colonialism, reactionary dictatorship, and systems of exploitation” the world over, the Senate convened a committee investigating Cuban influence on American blacks

https://newrepublic.com/article/131793/castro-came-harlem


I tend to view Oswald and the JFK assassination within the broader context of what was happening in the US in those times. I don’t know if others do this.


Even if we accept at face value that Oswald was a devoted Marxist or Communist when he was a naïve teenager, we're faced with the question of why he returned to the US. Most likely he became disillusioned with Soviet style communism while living in the USSR and his remarks in 1963 where he ridiculed communists and the Soviet Union were genuine...
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Was Lee Harvey Oswald a Man of the Right?
« Reply #243 on: September 13, 2021, 01:52:24 AM »

But the evidence that he disliked, indeed hated, the American political and economic systems is, for me, conclusive. He found it unjust and irredeemable. Indeed, he told Michael Paine shortly before the assassination that the American system had to be completely overthrown, that incremental changes would not work. It could not reformed; it had to be replaced. And in a Marxist/leftist type direction.


Mr. RANKIN. Did he tell you why he had shot at General Walker?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told him that he had no right to kill people in peacetime, he had no right to take their life because not everybody has the same ideas as he has. People cannot be all alike. He said that this was a very bad man, that he was a fascist, that he was the leader of a fascist organization, and when I said that even though all of that night be true, just the same he had no right to take his life, he said if someone had killed Hitler in time it would have saved many lives. I told him that this is no method to prove your ideas, by means of a rifle.


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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Was Edgar Eugene Bradley One of the Three Tramps?
« Reply #244 on: September 13, 2021, 03:05:03 AM »
Harold Dean Doyle, 8 December, 1930 - 10 September, 2008 :

https://web.archive.org/web/20080912201656/http://news.herald-dispatch.com/obituaries/


https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/kentucky/name/harold-doyle-obituary?pid=117345061
BELFRY - Harold Doyle, 77, of Pike Co, died Wed. Funeral 2pm Sun, R.E. Rogers Funeral Home. Visit after 6pm Sat. Published by Lexington Herald-Leader on Sep. 13, 2008.

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Wim Dankbaar - Posted 12 September, 2008

He passed away yesterday September 10, 2008 in a nursing home in Williamson WV.

Wim

Harold Dean Doyle, 77 of Williamson, WV, a special part of History, departed from this earth and went to meet the Lord on September 10, 2008 at the Trinity Helathcare. He was well known for being one of the three tramps on the grassy knoll in Dallas, Texas when Pres. John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and he came face to face with Lee Harvey Oswald.

He was born on December 8, 1930 at Red Jacket, WV the son of the late Walter and Kelsy McCoy Doyle. He was also preceded in death by 2 sisters and 3 brothers.

He was a professional Hobo and a Veteran of the US Army.

Survivors include one daughter, Francine Salinas of Arizona, two sons, Manuel Doyle of Fort

Riley, Kansas and Bruce Doyle of Spokane, WA., one sister, Pat Hearblin of Pritchard, WV, special

caretaker, Kelsie Runyon of Pinsonfork, Ky. and four grandchildren.

Funeral services will be held Sunday, September 14, 2008 at 2 PM at R. E. Rogers Funeral

Home, Belfry, Ky. with Lonnie Francis officiating. Burial will follow in the Don Runyon Cemetery,

Pinsonfork, Ky. Visitation will be held after

6 PM Saturday at R. E. Rogers Funeral Home.

Doyle served five years in the military during the Korean War era.

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