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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #126 on: May 27, 2021, 08:12:16 PM »
Now I feel bad for the "Dad of the Berserk Boy".  I hope he got better but it didn't sound great.  They really knew how to write headlines back in those days.   

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #127 on: May 27, 2021, 08:14:02 PM »
Now I feel bad for the "Dad of the Berserk Boy".  I hope he got better but it didn't sound great.  They really knew how to write headlines back in those days.

I'm with ya there.  I read that article.  Sad stuff.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2021, 08:32:41 PM »
My only point is that there is no real reason to believe that Cherami ever foretold of an assassination in Dallas.  It's entirely possible that she never uttered one syllable about Dallas before the assassination and this thing was made up by these guys after she passed away.

Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?

"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #129 on: May 27, 2021, 08:55:02 PM »
"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

"Also, ask yourself, why would ANY conspirators trust someone like her with any of this stuff beforehand?"

I don't imagine Cherami was integral to any kind of plan involving the assassination. I don't think she was entrusted with anything sensitive. I get the impression there were some guys involved in a very large, very lucrative drug deal and, rather than be in the room themselves when the deal went down, they used a very desperate (I can't think of a better word with out cursing) person and kidnapped her child, using threats of violence against the child to get Rose to cooperate. The story reveals Rose was in a hostage situation and was probably viewed as less than nothing to those using her. I'm assuming she was off her face a lot of the time and overheard talk about the assassination coming from those who viewed her as insignificant.

What appears to be confirmed is that the info she offered concerning the drug deal turned out to be on the money unless the whole deal thing was just another lie by Fruge (a lie in which he includes the Louisiana Police Department, specifically including Colonel Morgan and Nathan Durham, Chief Customs officer for the Galveston region)


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"...this thing was made up by these guys..."

Is there any evidence or testimony that backs this up?
Or is it just something you're throwing out there?

If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed.  In 1967, Weiss even told investigator Frank Meloche that he wasn't even certain whether or not Cherami spoke of Dallas before or after the assassination.

Cherami most likely made statements to Lt. Fruge (Louisiana State Police) AFTER Ruby shot Oswald saying that Ruby and Oswald knew each other.  I believe she even went as far as saying they were "bed partners".  In my opinion (and I dove hard into this about ten years ago), after Oswald was killed, Cherami claimed to Fruge that Ruby and Oswald knew each other, i.e. Oswald was inside Ruby's nightclub.  In my opinion, this is all that was said by Cherami regarding anything assassination-related; nothing beforehand.

In 1967, preparing for the Shaw trial, Garrison investigators interviewed hospital personnel at the East Louisiana State Hospital and not one person remembers hearing any talk of Cherami ever warning of or speaking of an upcoming assassination in Dallas before it happened.

Online Fred Litwin

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« Reply #130 on: June 02, 2021, 04:08:54 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-rose-cherami-murdered

Conspiracy theorists used to say that she was the victim of a hit and run. Now,
they say she was shot. But, her medical records provide no evidence that she
was short.

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Re: An Important New Find Regarding Rose Cherami
« Reply #131 on: June 03, 2021, 01:41:45 PM »

If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed.  In 1967, Weiss even told investigator Frank Meloche that he wasn't even certain whether or not Cherami spoke of Dallas before or after the assassination.

Cherami most likely made statements to Lt. Fruge (Louisiana State Police) AFTER Ruby shot Oswald saying that Ruby and Oswald knew each other.  I believe she even went as far as saying they were "bed partners".  In my opinion (and I dove hard into this about ten years ago), after Oswald was killed, Cherami claimed to Fruge that Ruby and Oswald knew each other, i.e. Oswald was inside Ruby's nightclub.  In my opinion, this is all that was said by Cherami regarding anything assassination-related; nothing beforehand.

In 1967, preparing for the Shaw trial, Garrison investigators interviewed hospital personnel at the East Louisiana State Hospital and not one person remembers hearing any talk of Cherami ever warning of or speaking of an upcoming assassination in Dallas before it happened.

"If it's backup you require, consider that there is nothing backing up the idea that Cherami mentioned Dallas before the assassination.  No reports were ever filed."

How do you know that no reports were ever filed?
This is another statement that needs backing up.
You've basically accused Fruge et al. of lying about the whole affair. I've asked if you have evidence of that accusation and you've answered with another statement that needs backing up!

I find it incredible that Fruge would not have filed a report about the flight to Houston and the attempted bust of the narcotics deal based on Cherami's intel.
I find it incredible Fruge would involve Colonel Morgan and Colonel Burbank in this lie (he reports telling them both about Cherami's "prediction")
I just basically find it incredible that Fruge would come up with something like this at all. What's the point? Why involve so many high-ranking people who could call him out on his BS? Why involve Durham and the Customs department and others? It's such an insanely massive lie.
How are Fruge, Weiss and Magruder connected? Are they in on it together or making up their stories separately?

I'm really unconvinced by the way you're just trying to brush this off as it's a done deal.
You're point seems to be that we weren't in the vehicle when Rose told her story so we'll never really know.
The same is true for the 6th floor of the TSBD at the moment of the assassination.

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« Reply #132 on: June 03, 2021, 03:53:00 PM »
http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-ghost-of-grassy-knoll-gunman.html

Nick Nalli is a brilliant scientist, and this review deserves to be widely disseminated....

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