On The Trail Of Delusion

[Walt Cakebread]

That's not what Garrison alleged in the Clay Shaw trial which is what the topic is about, i.e., Garrison's behavior in the Shaw matter and his repeated abuses of the law in the investigation he conducted. He smeared and ruined numerous people's lives. Based on little more than his own, sometimes sordid, fantasies; although he probably believed most of them.

Garrison said that Oswald conspired with Shaw and Ferrie and others (unnamed) to shoot the president. And that Oswald was the one who brought the murder weapon - or one of them - to the TSBD. Garrison said explicitly that Oswald was a willing and active conspirator in the murder of JFK and not a patsy.

This is from his opening statement to the jury in the trial:

"The defendant, CLAY L, SHAW, is charged in a bill of indictment with having willfully and unlawfully conspired with DAVID W, FERRIE, LEE HARVEY OSWALD and others to murder JOHN F. KENNEDY."

Again, Oswald was one of the conspirators in the murder of JFK. Not a patsy.

This conspiracy involved: "Discussion by OSWALD, FERRIE and the defendant, SHAW of means and methods of execution of the conspiracy with regard to assassination of JOHN F. KENNEDY -- particularly, the selection and use of rifles to be fired from multiple directions simultaneously to produce a triangulation of crossfire, establishing and selecting the means and routes of escape from the assassination scene, determination of procedures and the places to be used for some of the principals to the conspiracy so as to establish alibis on the date of the assassination."

And the conspiracy also included: "LEE HARVEY OSWALD taking a rifle to the Texas Book Depository in Dallas, Texas on or before November 22, 1963."

So Oswald discussed and planned out the murder of JFK. And brought a rifle to be used as part of that act. If Garrison was right then your theory as to what happened is 100% wrong.

Garrison's full opening statement is here: https://jfk-online.com/state.html

I was unaware that Garrison believed that Lee Oswald was guilty of conspiring to murder JFK.  Thank you, for the information.

Garrison was dead wrong about some aspects of the conspiracy......  But his basic premise that JFK was murdered by a conspiracy is 100% correct.

[Walt Cakebread]

That's not what Garrison alleged in the Clay Shaw trial which is what the topic is about, i.e., Garrison's behavior in the Shaw matter and his repeated abuses of the law in the investigation he conducted. He smeared and ruined numerous people's lives. Based on little more than his own, sometimes sordid, fantasies; although he probably believed most of them.

Garrison said that Oswald conspired with Shaw and Ferrie and others (unnamed) to shoot the president. And that Oswald was the one who brought the murder weapon - or one of them - to the TSBD. Garrison said explicitly that Oswald was a willing and active conspirator in the murder of JFK and not a patsy.

This is from his opening statement to the jury in the trial:

"The defendant, CLAY L, SHAW, is charged in a bill of indictment with having willfully and unlawfully conspired with DAVID W, FERRIE, LEE HARVEY OSWALD and others to murder JOHN F. KENNEDY."

Again, Oswald was one of the conspirators in the murder of JFK. Not a patsy.

This conspiracy involved: "Discussion by OSWALD, FERRIE and the defendant, SHAW of means and methods of execution of the conspiracy with regard to assassination of JOHN F. KENNEDY -- particularly, the selection and use of rifles to be fired from multiple directions simultaneously to produce a triangulation of crossfire, establishing and selecting the means and routes of escape from the assassination scene, determination of procedures and the places to be used for some of the principals to the conspiracy so as to establish alibis on the date of the assassination."

And the conspiracy also included: "LEE HARVEY OSWALD taking a rifle to the Texas Book Depository in Dallas, Texas on or before November 22, 1963."

So Oswald discussed and planned out the murder of JFK. And brought a rifle to be used as part of that act. If Garrison was right then your theory as to what happened is 100% wrong.

Garrison's full opening statement is here: https://jfk-online.com/state.html

Page 328 of Garrison's  "On the Trail of the Assassins"

One thing I am quite sure of is that Lee Harvey Oswald DID NOT fire at anyone on November 22, 1963.... Jim Garrison

Looks like you're wrong again Mr Galbraith.....

[Christer Jacobsson]

"What worries me deeply is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proton-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience that fascism will come to America in the name of National Security."

/Jim Garrison.                                                                                                                                           

Jim Garrison's book “A Heritage Of Stone” is available on the Internet as a PDF file and free of charge: https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HeritageOfStone/index.html

[Walt Cakebread]

"What worries me deeply is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proton-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience that fascism will come to America in the name of National Security."

/Jim Garrison.                                                                                                                                           

Jim Garrison's book “A Heritage Of Stone” is available on the Internet as a PDF file and free of charge: https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HeritageOfStone/index.html

Thanks for posting that, Christer ....    I believe Garrison had it right.....  The America that I grew up in is gone.    We've allowed too many non American's to take control. 

[Joe Elliott]

Thanks for posting that, Christer ....    I believe Garrison had it right.....  The America that I grew up in is gone.    We've allowed too many non American's to take control.

Who are these non-Americans who are in control? And in control of what? America?

[Christer Jacobsson]

Who are these non-Americans who are in control? And in control of what? America?

”They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deciet is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”

/Vice President
 Henry Wallace
 
 Speaking of American Fascists.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Who are these non-Americans who are in control? And in control of what? America?

This is the conspiracy "history" that we have to deal with. Things like JFK was going to end the Cold War or dismantle the "national security state" or pull out of Vietnam.

And these secret "non-Americans" silenced him to prevent that. See, there's really a cabal that is controlling things.

We can talk about the Z film or the autopsy or a dozen and one other things about the assassination but that won't work. That is because we are trying to reason with people who think this all powerful cabal really runs things. And they can literally do anything.

You can't reason with this worldview.