On The Trail Of Delusion

[Walt Cakebread]

Did I say that?

Here is what I said:

Right. Glad you admit that there is NO evidence that Nagell possessed the Oswald card.

Do you relinquish the claim? Or is this religion to you?

Since there is absolutely no evidence that Nagell possessed the card, shouldn't this claim be totally dropped?

fred

Since there is absolutely no evidence that Nagell possessed the card,

Was the card found among Nagells possessions?

[Fred Litwin]

No, the card was NOT found among Nagell's possessions. A poor photocopy of the card was found by Dick Russell in
Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

How long do you want this discussion to go on?

There is NO evidence that Nagell ever possessed this card.

fred

[Walt Cakebread]

No, the card was NOT found among Nagell's possessions. A poor photocopy of the card was found by Dick Russell in
Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

How long do you want this discussion to go on?

There is NO evidence that Nagell ever possessed this card.

fred

Bernard Fensterwald's office in Washington DC in 1976.

What did Mary Ferrell say about that card?

[Fred Litwin]

Did you read my blog post about this?

Here is the link again.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/dick-russell-s-second-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Mary Ferrell was wrong. Judy Bonner's book was not the only book with the Oswald card in it. In any case,
whatever she said (and what she said is in my blog) it is immaterial.

The poor photocopy of the Oswald card WAS FOUND IN BERNARD FENSTERWALD'S OFFICE IN 1976.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand.

The card was not in Nagell's possession in September 1976.

fred

[Walt Cakebread]

Did you read my blog post about this?

Here is the link again.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/dick-russell-s-second-smoking-gun-on-the-richard-case-nagell-story

Mary Ferrell was wrong. Judy Bonner's book was not the only book with the Oswald card in it. In any case,
whatever she said (and what she said is in my blog) it is immaterial.

The poor photocopy of the Oswald card WAS FOUND IN BERNARD FENSTERWALD'S OFFICE IN 1976.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand.

The card was not in Nagell's possession in September 1976.

fred

Somebody enhanced the '62' on the card on the date line. The photograph and the signature are different from the known Oswald card (shown below). The picture on the known card is believed to be from Minsk (too late for the real card)  - Warren Commission Volume XXVI,

If you'll back off a minute and LOOK at the card....    You may reach the same conclusion that I did.

Lee apparently had this ID card when he was in Russia.....   It's NOT a genuine draft card ....the form was the form that the government issued to dependents of military personnel, so they could use the commissary on the military base.

I believe it was issued to American spies when they were outside the borders of the US.  ( if they required medical attention the card would get them into an infirmary..... for example)  Lee Oswald had one of those cards and he copied it and altered it before he surrender it on his return to the US.

LOOK at the card.....That's NOT a US Postal date stamp on the card.....The "stamp" was created by Lee to make the card look more authentic.     LOOK at the round "stamp" and scale that circle by using the known dimension of the card as a scale.

I believe that you'll find that the "stamp" is the same diameter as a US Quarter dollar coin..... And in fact the word "quarter" can be seen printed backward  .....IOW.....Lee used a quarter and an ink pad and created that "stamp"

[Fred Litwin]

None of this relevant.

All we have is a poor photocopy of this card that was found in Bernard Fensterwald's office
by Dick Russell in 1976.

There is no evidence that the card was in the possession of Nagell in September 1963. We also
have the property list of stuff found on Nagell from the police and the FBI and that card was not
on it. Nor did Nagell ever reference that card.

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

This is my last post on this topic.

fred

[Walt Cakebread]

None of this relevant.

All we have is a poor photocopy of this card that was found in Bernard Fensterwald's office
by Dick Russell in 1976.

There is no evidence that the card was in the possession of Nagell in September 1963. We also
have the property list of stuff found on Nagell from the police and the FBI and that card was not
on it. Nor did Nagell ever reference that card.

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

This is my last post on this topic.

fred

Will you finally admit the point that the card was NOT in the possession of Nagell in 1963?

No, I can't do that..... I wasn't there and I have no first hand information about that card.     But I believe Nagell did in fact have that card in his possession on 10 / 20/ 63