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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #189 on: August 13, 2021, 06:54:19 PM »
What complete nonsense!

There is no evidence they found such a card on Nagell. NONE.


Interesting how this standard doesn't apply to a card they allegedly found on Oswald.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #190 on: August 13, 2021, 06:55:40 PM »
Welcome to the wacky World of Walt Fabrications.
The attached thread below outlining the long list of Walt's fabrications was written by another hardcore fanatical Conspiracy theorist. Go figure.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist.  But that wouldn't be the first time you made false claims on this forum.

Online John Mytton

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #191 on: August 13, 2021, 11:08:26 PM »
I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

I humbly apologize John, yes, intelligence is required to create a theory.

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Online John Mytton

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Re: Is This Document the Smoking Gun in the Richard Case Nagell Story?
« Reply #192 on: August 14, 2021, 12:00:26 AM »
"I'm not a conspiracy theorist."



Hahaha

It reminds me of a point made by Bugliosi in the 1986 Oswald trial, where he says that Spence makes accusations that the CIA covered up this or the FBI covered up that and if they were the ones covering up then they would be the ones who murdered the President but Bugliosi explains that Spence won't come out and say it because it would just sound downright silly and you would just laugh at him.
But Iacoletti has gone far beyond those two organisations and he includes the Dallas Police, innocent civilians, Photographic experts, handwriting experts and a bunch of others who all lied or deliberately misinterpreted and made false conclusions based on the evidence in the attempt to convict Oswald.

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Who was Leon Oswald?
« Reply #193 on: August 16, 2021, 02:02:56 AM »
I suppose Eisenhower's farewell address that included the warning about the MIC did not have one shared of evidence, but it did have a resonance for many Americans of what they roughly believed was going on within the halls of power Sure it was important because he was the President but certain statements that are not necessarily supported by facts can have these type of resonant truths

Eisenhower, as a former 5* General and two term POTUS had enormous credibility with America. JFK, not so much. He campaigned on the phony missile gap with Russia telling Americans to build bomb shelters in their homes while building America’s military strength to outrageous size at the time. Eisenhower’s warning to Americans was more about JFK and his agenda than the MIC specifically.

Offline Fred Litwin

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Did Richard Case Nagell Ever Meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
« Reply #194 on: August 18, 2021, 02:05:57 PM »
Did Richard Case Nagell Ever Meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
He claimed to have met Oswald in Japan, Texas, Mexico City and New Orleans. There is not one iota of evidence to support this.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-richard-case-nagell-ever-meet-lee-harvey-oswald

Online David Von Pein

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Re: Did Richard Case Nagell Ever Meet Lee Harvey Oswald?
« Reply #195 on: August 18, 2021, 11:07:18 PM »
Excerpt from Vince Bugliosi's book (re: Richard Nagell):

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"On January 3, 1967, Nagell got off a letter to U.S. Senator Richard Russell
in which he talked about Oswald coming under his scrutiny in 1962
and 1963. He proceeds to tell Russell that Oswald had no significant
contact with pro-Castro elements, or Marxist or racist groups, et cetera,
nor was Oswald "an agent or informant, in the generally accepted sense
of the words, for any investigative, police, or intelligence agency, domestic
or foreign."

He continued that Oswald was part of a conspiracy to murder
Kennedy that had nothing to do with a foreign government. He
concludes, "For what little it is apparently worth now, my opinion is
that the death of President Kennedy was indirectly, if not directly,
resultant from a conspiracy and also due in great part to the
stupidity or negligence of the FBI; that Mr. Oswald definitely was the
only assassin; and that his own demise was not attributable to any
conspiracy of which I was cognizant." (DOJCD Record 186-10001-10118)

Using Nagell's own words, he seems to be indirectly removing
himself from consideration by conspiracy theorists as being a player
on their field. But Nagell remained, and remains, a fixture in the
conspiracy firmament.

If there was anyone who had a wilder imagination about the
assassination than Richard Nagell, it was New Orleans DA Jim Garrison,
whose looney, conspiratorial theories knew no boundaries. As indicated
earlier in this endnote, in his investigation of Clay Shaw for the
murder of President Kennedy, Garrison actually flew to New York City
in May 1968. He met with Nagell on a park bench in Central Park,
hoping Nagell would help break the case wide open for him. (What a
conversation it must have been between someone almost certifiably
psychotic [Nagell] and someone [Garrison] symptomatically psychotic.)

But, for Garrison, Nagell answered very few questions and was
deliberately evasive, except to say, without providing any supporting
evidence, that Guy Banister, Clay Shaw, and David Ferrie were behind
the assassination and had manipulated Oswald.

Nagell also refused to discuss the CIA (the conspiratorial
devil behind the assassination in Garrison's eyes) or any other
federal agency except that he claimed he was ignored by the FBI when
he tried to warn them of Kennedy's assassination.

Nagell, wanting to testify, flew to New Orleans on his own
before the Shaw trial in 1969, but Garrison never called him to the
stand, not only because he had nothing to say, but also because, per
Garrison, "by the time [Shaw's attorneys] finished with Nagell, the
jury would have been left with the impression of a
crackpot" (Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins, pp.213-216, 267).

When one is a crackpot even in the eyes of someone as screwy
and erratic as Jim Garrison, it's time for that person to go home.

A footnote to the Nagell story: The ARRB sent Nagell a letter
dated October 31, 1995, requesting that he contact the board to
discuss any documents or evidence he might have in his possession
relating to the assassination (e.g., Nagell told Russell he had a
Polaroid photograph of himself and Oswald in New Orleans, that he had
documentary proof of the letter he allegedly sent to the FBI in
September of 1963 warning of Kennedy's death, etc.). The ARRB learned
that Nagell died (from natural causes) in his Los Angeles apartment on
November 1, 1995. A member of the ARRB staff, with the assistance of
Nagell's son and niece, searched his apartment, and footlockers of his
kept in storage in Phoenix, and found none of the items Nagell claimed
he had. (Final Report of the ARRB, p.133)" -- VINCENT BUGLIOSI; PAGES
700-701 OF "RECLAIMING HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F.
KENNEDY" (ENDNOTES ON CD)(c.2007)
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