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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1855 on: Yesterday at 11:45:40 PM »
Why do you have so much trouble comprehending the simplest things. Bennett was not looking at JFK when he heard the first shot. I don't care how quickly he turned his head, it is not possible he could have turned quickly enough to see that shot hit JFK's right shoulder.

This is a possible explanation but that is not how Bennett described it in his notes. He described hearing a noise and “immediately” looking and at “that exact time” seeing a “shot that hit” the President.  This is why it is so unfortunate that he was not examined by the WC to clarify. 

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Have you ever asked yourself one simple question? With the millions of people who have studied the evidence from the JFKA the last six decades, do you really think you are the only one who has been able to figure out the right answer? I have never come across anyone who has reached anything close the scenario you have dreamed up.
You have obviously not come across the early work of the FBI who described a first shot when JFK passed the lamp post just before the Thornton sign; the third at z313 and second closer to the last than the first.  They even made models:





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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1856 on: Today at 12:03:21 AM »
Funny how they missed hearing that first “horrible ear-shattering noise” yet the vast majority still heard three shots.

Your "vast majority" undoubtedly heard the masking roar of four accelerating Harley Davison motorcycles (but didn't mention said roar in their statements), two shots approximately five seconds apart (the CE-399 shot at around Z-222 and the Z-313 fatal head shot), and echoes from one or both of those two shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Mary Woodward and at least one of her three journalistic colleagues were among the few witnesses who discerned either a "backfire" or a "firecracker" among the roar of the motorcycles.

Said "firecracker" / "backfire" was Oswald's first, missing-everything, early shot.

D'oh
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Online John Corbett

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1857 on: Today at 01:08:09 AM »
This is a possible explanation but that is not how Bennett described it in his notes. He described hearing a noise and “immediately” looking and at “that exact time” seeing a “shot that hit” the President.  This is why it is so unfortunate that he was not examined by the WC to clarify. 
You have obviously not come across the early work of the FBI who described a first shot when JFK passed the lamp post just before the Thornton sign; the third at z313 and second closer to the last than the first.  They even made models:



That is exactly how Bennett described it in his report which is unambiguous and needs no clarification. Anyone with fifth grade reading comprehension can understand what he wrote.

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1858 on: Today at 01:20:36 AM »
Clint Hill actually sees JFK "grab at himself" after the first shot.
He saw the moment JFK's arms flew up and he slumped to the left.
In the "When Was JFK Hit?" thread I demonstrated that the first moment we see the beginnings of this reaction in the Z-film is z225.
It is a neuromuscular/reflex reaction to a shot passing through him at z222/223.
Altgens 6 shows Hill apparently looking directly at JFK as he begins to slump to the left. This picture is taken about one and three quarter seconds after the first shot. In three seconds from this moment JFK will be hit in the head as Hill tries to get onto the limo.

Hill is fully aware of the first shot and JFK being hit by it (the idea that Hill and all the other Secret Service agents on board just ignore a missed first shot is too silly to contemplate).
He is about to react to it.
So, let's forget about first shots at z160 or earlier because we would have to believe that Hill (in Altgens 6) stood there gawking at JFK for over five seconds at least.
Even in Andrew's scenario of z190, Hill stands there for over three and a half seconds and still shows no sign of reacting.
It's an eternity in such an intense situation.
When shots are fired people react very quickly.




Landis, Hickey and Ready have all spun around to their right and rear as a result of the first shot, just as they reported doing so.
Hill is staring at JFK who is reacting to being shot.
Was the first shot 10 seconds before this pic was taken, as Graves suggests? [ ::)]
3.5 seconds, as Andrew suggest?
Or 1.75 seconds, as I suggest?


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1859 on: Today at 01:45:55 AM »
Altgens-6 shows Clint Hill apparently looking directly at JFK as he begins to slump to the left. This picture was taken about one-and-three-quarter seconds after the first shot.


Correction: Altgens-6 was taken about seven seconds after Oswald's first, missing-everything (and masked-by-the-roar-of-four-accelerating-Harley-Davison-motorcycles) shot at "Z-124," which shot was fired half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

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Was the first shot 10 [sic] seconds before this pic was taken, as Graves suggests?

3.5 seconds, as Andrew suggest?

Or 1.75 seconds, as I suggest?

For the correct answer, see above.
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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1860 on: Today at 02:55:03 AM »
That is exactly how Bennett described it in his report which is unambiguous and needs no clarification. Anyone with fifth grade reading comprehension can understand what he wrote.
It is the difference between the notes and his report that is what needs clarification.  Without a proper examination of Bennett all we can do is guess what he meant.  In both the notes and the later report he describes two initial shots that were extremely close together.  That in itself needs further clarification.
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1861 on: Today at 02:56:38 AM »
It is the difference between the notes and his report that is what needs clarification.  Without a proper examination of Bennett all we can do is guess what he meant.  In both the notes and the later report he describes two initial shots that were extremely close together.

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