The First Shot

[John Corbett]

So Norman under the window and JC being hit in the car basically corroborate each other with description of 3 shits  fired in less than 5 secs.

Connally's WC  testimony estimated the elapsed time of the shooting at between 10 and 12 seconds.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds.

Maybe the shooter was using a rifle like the Rifleman Chuck Connors which could explain Norman hearing the click click sound while also recalling 3 shots fired quicker than could be probably fired using an MC rifle.

I don't know if you are being facetious or not but the only rifle in the world that could have fired the recovered bullets and shells was Oswald's Carcano.

It might explain Will Fritz picking up shells from
the the SN floor BEFORE they were photographed, carrying then around for a while and  he returns later, placing them back down in position as seen in the photographs.

I've heard that claim often. I've never seen compelling evidence that happened. There seems to be some dispute in the various accounts as to whether he picked up the shells before they were photographed.

[Zeon Mason]

Connally's WC  testimony estimated the elapsed time of the shooting at between 10 and 12 seconds.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the timespan between the first shot which you heard and the shot which you heretofore characterized as the third shot?
Governor CONNALLY. It was a very brief span of time; oh, I would have to say a matter of seconds. I don't know, 10, 12 seconds.
I don't know if you are being facetious or not but the only rifle in the world that could have fired the recovered bullets and shells was Oswald's Carcano.
I've heard that claim often. I've never seen compelling evidence that happened. There seems to be some dispute in the various accounts as to whether he picked up the shells before they were photographed.

That’s kind of contradictory for JC to make a statement he thought the rifle was a semi auto rifle and then say he’s estimating  3 shots in 10-12 secs. He’s in the minority on that estimate.

As far as the Will Fritz thing, my Bing AI says yes it’s true that he picked up the shells before they were photographed. Maybe GROK will know?

[John Corbett]

That’s kind of contradictory for JC to make a statement he thought the rifle was a semi auto rifle and then say he’s estimating  3 shots in 10-12 secs. He’s in the minority on that estimate.

As far as the Will Fritz thing, my Bing AI says yes it’s true that he picked up the shells before they were photographed. Maybe GROK will know?

3 shots in 10 to 12 seconds is a reasonable rate of fire for either a semi-auto, a bolt action, or a lever gun. There's no way JBC could figure out what kind of rifle it was based on the rate of fire even though his impression was that it was a semi-auto. That is nothing more than a guess. We can safely say it wasn't a full auto, since a full auto would fire 100 rounds in 10 seconds. Even if we limited Oswald to 5.6 seconds, that's 56 rounds. Anybody want to take that position?

[Zeon Mason]

3 shots in 10 to 12 seconds is a reasonable rate of fire for either a semi-auto, a bolt action, or a lever gun. There's no way JBC could figure out what kind of rifle it was based on the rate of fire even though his impression was that it was a semi-auto. That is nothing more than a guess. We can safely say it wasn't a full auto, since a full auto would fire 100 rounds in 10 seconds. Even if we limited Oswald to 5.6 seconds, that's 56 rounds. Anybody want to take that position?

But those last 2 shots that the 3/4ths majority have spaced only 1-2 secs apart is what is contradicting JC or Buell W Frazier 10-12 sec recollection.

How many other witness spaces the shots out to 10-12 secs?

[John Corbett]

But those last 2 shots that the 3/4ths majority have spaced only 1-2 secs apart is what is contradicting JC or Buell W Frazier 10-12 sec recollection.

How many other witness spaces the shots out to 10-12 secs?

I doubt many were asked that question. The few I am aware of varied their estimates widely.

[Andrew Mason]

But those last 2 shots that the 3/4ths majority have spaced only 1-2 secs apart is what is contradicting JC or Buell W Frazier 10-12 sec recollection.

By no means did 75% of the ear witnesses who reported on the spacing of the shots say the last two shots were 1-2 seconds apart. Most did not put a time on the spacing of the last two shots. Many just described the last two as being noticeably closer together than the first two. Most described a pause after the first shot and then two rapid shots. Several said the last two were about two seconds apart (e.g. Robert Jackson: “I guess, two seconds” ; Roger Craig: “no more than two seconds”). Allan Sweatt thought there were 7 seconds between the first and second and 2-3 seconds after that was the third shot.

[Zeon Mason]

By no means did 75% of the ear witnesses who reported on the spacing of the shots say the last two shots were 1-2 seconds apart. Most did not put a time on the spacing of the last two shots. Many just described the last two as being noticeably closer together than the first two. Most described a pause after the first shot and then two rapid shots. Several said the last two were about two seconds apart (e.g. Robert Jackson: “I guess, two seconds” ; Roger Craig: “no more than two seconds”). Allan Sweatt thought there were 7 seconds between the first and second and 2-3 seconds after that was the third shot.

Okay, let’s say it could be 2-3 secs. If so then Dans 1st shot Z224, 2nd at Z313 and 3rd at 2-3 secs after that is not so implausible since it’s clear that the 6th floor TSBD shooter was either  stupid or was trying to set up Oswald.

1. He chose to shoot at a moving target from 6th floor TSBD. He could have chosen an easier place to shoot at a stationary JFK giving a speech from a much lower elevation thus eliminating changing angles and necessity to constantly be adjusting to track the target. It would have been a much easier one shot one kill.
2. He stuck his rifle out the window for several seconds after firing the 3rd shot. It was spotted by Malcom Couch and Robert  Jackson as much as 5 secs after they heard the last shot.
3. He left 3 shells at the window
4. He may have left a paper bag with Oswald’s palm print on it.
5. He moved several boxes up next to the window which had Oswald prints on them.
3. He left an MC rifle linked to Oswald’s P.O.Box on the 6th floor not really hidden so well.
4. He had to either run down 4 flights of stairs or had to use the west freight elevator to go down to the 2nd floor landing. He could not go all the way down to 1st floor because he would have been seen by Adams, Stiles, Lovelady and Shelley ( the 2 men Baker saw) as he exited the elevator

If he took the west elevator down to 2nd floor landing, thus bypassing Mrs Garner on 4th floor unseen, and he exited from the 2nd floor west window onto the garage rooftop to escape then he was a conspirator who had planned to set to Oswald. Thus all the stupid decisions were required to set up Oswald.

If he took the west elevator to the 2nd floor landing thus bypassing Mrs Garner unseen, and he exited and ran into the 2nd floor lunchroom then he was Oswald and the stupid decisions were because Oswald was a stupid Marxist Kook.

In Either scenario, a 3rd shot fired after Z313 is plausible.