The First Shot

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1280 on: November 12, 2025, 02:59:15 AM »
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Based on the DICTABELT RECORDING, you can see all the shots that were fired in Dealey Plaza

No!

1. McLain's bike was too far back.
2. According to the bike expert and actual rider, McClain, he said motor sound on the dictabelt is from a three wheeled bike.
3. Sheriff Bill Decker saying "hold everything secure" in the exact place where the shots supposedly occurred. Yet Decker was known to have said "hold everything secure" about a minute after the real shots in Dealey Plaza.

And this is only a small part of the refuted dictabelt evidence.
Steve Barber as seen below is the actual expert on the dictabelt evidence and Steve's initial interest came from when he heard the "hold everything secure" from a recording of the dictabelt and these words were proven to have come way after Dealey Plaza! Go Steve, Go!



The following passages come from Reclaiming History and McClain the actual man behind the supposed Dealey Plaza recording, strongly refutes this deceptive "audio evidence".

McLain gave his reasons for believing it wasn’t his mike. Among them was the
fact, he said, that the sound of the motorcycle clearly indicated the cycle was trav¬
eling way too fast to have been in the motorcade; though he had turned his siren
on, there were no siren sounds from the motorcycle with the stuck microphone;
and when the sound of sirens did appear, they seemed to be passing a stationary
unit.

RHVB

The importance of McLain being ordered to be on channel 2 and remember¬
ing many of the channel 2 transmissions during the motorcade cannot be
overemphasized. It literally, by itself, destroys the HSCA’s acoustic conclusion of
a fourth shot—at least if the committee is basing it on McLain being the cyclist
with the open microphone.
The second point McLain wanted to make, after repeating that he was “sure”
the stuck mike was not his, was that the sound on the channel 1 cycle was “not the
sound” of his cycle, a two-wheeler that day, explaining that he had ridden “both
two- and three-wheelers” on the force, and “this was a three-wheeler. It’s all
together a different sound.

RHVB

What brought them crashing down to earth was when the smoke-and-mirrors conclusion of the
HSCA was exposed as such in 1982 by a panel of twelve physicists and scientists under the aegis of
the National Research Council. Hailing from places like MIT, the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at
the University of California, and the Bell Telephone Laboratory in New Jersey, and headed by
Harvard professor Norman Ramsey, the panel of experts analyzed the subject Dictabelt and heard the
same impulse sounds that the two Queens professors did. The only problem was that the "sounds" the
Queens professors heard occurred "one minute after the assassination," when the presidential
limousine was long gone down the Stemmons Freeway on its way to Parkland Hospital.

RHVB

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Re: The First Shot
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Online Raine Hannula

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1281 on: November 12, 2025, 03:04:05 AM »
Here is some facts about McLain and this dictabelt was not recorded on McLains bike, but one of these four that drive next to Kennedy limousine


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1282 on: November 12, 2025, 03:11:32 AM »
Here is some facts about McLain and this dictabelt was not recorded on McLains bike, but one of these four that drive next to Kennedy limousine

Too bad that none of the bikes were three wheelers and too bad that they were going too slow and too bad that when when the sound of sirens did appear, they seemed to be passing a stationary unit.  :(

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« Reply #1283 on: November 12, 2025, 03:22:40 AM »
I have a video upcoming, where I prove that James E Barger has mixed the test results of sand bags he fired in late 70s when he tried to proove...something crap to HCSA. This would mean that if some of these assumptions surrounding the Kennedy assassination have not my stamp and approval, it means that they are  FALSE and LIES to cover up the truth behind JFK and everything you just said above, has not my approval, which means that you cannot use them in any way in this cold case called THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK.

And becuase of I am the FINNISHCRIMEREPORTER, you cannot have unbiased statement than this for this matter and this case and why these statements of researchers on government payroll dont affect me, which are FAKE NEWS and DISINFORMATION.

Why I do this, is because United States has gone these same assassination methods to use of Finnish police and who has started to kill Finnish citizens on the night streets of Hyrylä and solving one of these, you can solve everyone.


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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1284 on: November 12, 2025, 05:04:14 PM »

     The question here involves sound and sound leaves an acoustic fingerprint. Figuring out if the dictabelt recording was that of a 2 wheel motorcycle or a 3 wheel motorcycle should have been easily resolved a very long time ago. What new?   

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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1285 on: November 12, 2025, 06:51:47 PM »
Dan is correct. There are no SS agents in the followup car looking BACK at TSBD from the beginning of Z film up to Z207.

Not even SS agent Hickey. He LEANS his body to his left , but his head is NOT turned towards TSBD.

So this is reasonably strong evidence to support the theory that no LOUD noise caused by a rifle firing a solid bullet ( as opposed to a blank) , from the 6th floor of TSBD, was heard by SS Agents prior to Z207.

How could they ALL have ignored/ not reacted, to a loud shot fired earlier than Z207 from the same MC rifle that supposedly fired a shot at Z223 , to which shot, they all then DID appear to react to as captured by Altgens 6 photo at approx Z255?

I do not think that  hangover  from the party several hours earlier at 2am Friday morning is a satisfactory explanation for SS agents lack of reaction prior to Z207 , especially when they all did react at Z 255.
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1286 on: November 13, 2025, 05:53:04 PM »
Dan is correct. There are no SS agents in the followup car looking BACK at TSBD from the beginning of Z film up to Z207.

Not even SS agent Hickey. He LEANS his body to his left , but his head is NOT turned towards TSBD.

So this is reasonably strong evidence to support the theory that no LOUD noise caused by a rifle firing a solid bullet ( as opposed to a blank) , from the 6th floor of TSBD, was heard by SS Agents prior to Z207.

How could they ALL have ignored/ not reacted, to a loud shot fired earlier than Z207 from the same MC rifle that supposedly fired a shot at Z223 , to which shot, they all then DID appear to react to as captured by Altgens 6 photo at approx Z255?

I do not think that  hangover  from the party several hours earlier at 2am Friday morning is a satisfactory explanation for SS agents lack of reaction prior to Z207 , especially when they all did react at Z 255.
Jack Ready said that he turned immediately to his right rear (18 H 749):
"I heard what appeared to be fire-crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."

Ready was standing on the right front running board of the QM. He had both hands on the front handhold until z199 when he removed his right hand so he could begin his turn to the right. 



Unfortunately, he is not seen after z207. 

So that is evidence that the first shot occurred prior to z199.  Not conclusive, but it fits with the evidence of other witnesses that the first shot was before z202 (eg. Phil Willis, Linda Willis)
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Re: The First Shot
« Reply #1287 on: November 13, 2025, 11:15:03 PM »
@Andrew: I don’t see how the Willis girl can react to a loud shot at Z190 ish and look back by Z200 while none of the SS agents reacted to that shot at the same time.

I thought possibly that the actions of umbrella man and DC man could be focusing the SS agents attention , but I really don’t see how even that distraction would prevent them from hearing the same noise that Willis girl seems to be responding to around Z190.

I’m not even certain what exactly the Willis girl heard at Z190.

I think we can agree that it is not likely that any loud shot from the MC rifle was fired prior to Z 186 yes? ( due to Betzner)

I do not think that Willis dad who snapped the photo about Z205 can be nailed down to having heard the shot instantaneously at Z205.

Therefore I think 1 sec later , a shot at Z223 could be just as likely the shot that Willis heard and associated it with taking photo at Z205.
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